Man seriously injured in altercation unconscious at State Street and Hutchins Place

not surprised

since it takes two to tango, I hope they arrested him too....

Judging from your comment you were clearly there and know the whole story David, so I hope you gave a statement to law enforcement to aid in their investigation. Other wise that is a pretty ignorant assessment, given the fact that you couldn't possibly know what happened otherwise. I mean, people are never victimized right?

Thank You Matt! I was thinking, although it does take 2 to tango, sometimes you weren't invited to the dance, but somebody "swings thier partener, dosey doe"

He may have slipped and fallen on the empty water bottles and trash, as evident in the photo..........

I wonder what their occupation is? Inquiring minds would like to know on this fine media website. Could this have been work place violence due to their occupation?

It's probably more like , when in Rome....

Could be, lol.

well matt, no i was not there....enlighten me as to where you got that stupid idea...come on...where? you know, maybe the guy laying on the ground started the altercation. you ever think of that? you ever start a fight and end up whooped? well i have, actually i think i've lost more fights than i've won...
so i start a fight, get my ass beat and, from what you are saying, the guy that beat me should be arrested.....doesn't sound right to me.......
so as i said before, i hope they arrested the guy on the ground too, as it DOES take two to tango........forum is all yours, matt

Do not forget David some domestics end with all parties arrested.

Dave pardon me, on what basis do you declare that the guy started the fight? On a maybe? Did someone tell you so, Or are you just shooting from the hip because Matt happened to call you on making a very premature judgment?

Ignorance is bliss so they say, and ignorance is pretty much exemplified by speaking without knowing.

LOL David, thats the thing though. ADULTS don't have to fight, if you go around starting fights and then get your a$$ whupped, your supposed to learn a lesson from that. Judging from your statement above it appears that you haven't learned that yet. As you state you do start fights and loose frequently. Now we all can agree that beating someone up and leaving them bleeding in the street, no matter which party instigated it violates public safety laws. And the guy left in such a state is clearly a victim.

Fighting and winning just doesn't make someone right or wrong. As you said it does take 2 to tango but as usual making statements as you do and the attitude with which you come across seems to be indicative of why you end up in fights? Maybe waiting til more is known should be the wiser choice. After all if we follow your mindset, we should just step over this guy's unconscious and bleeding body cause he probably started it and wait for the police to arrest him first before knowing what really happened.

So I am wondering David, should the poor guy leaving the concert at Darien Lake who got beat unconscious also be ARRESTED???? If the assumption is that everyone who gets punched was actually involved in a fight, then he really should be?! There very well may have been a fight, or it may be that someone just said the wrong thing, or looked at someone the wrong way. If you are going to make a statement that if someone gets punched and knocked out they are just as guilty, that includes an innocent man leaving a concert who is still VERY seriously injured for no other reason than being near a ruthless brute. The facts will come out in this recent case, and it may be that they were both guilty, or it may NOT be. Either way, it is pure IGNORANCE to assume that everyone who gets hurt by anothers punch is a guilty party. THere are countless cases that prove otherwise, many in our own community.

It's a brazen troll that uses his real name.

other kids knew who did this but they wouldnt talk...why? retailiation...too bad there is not many positive things for kids to do in town...now a days...oh but lets spend 45 thousand on a study on the old city hall , sell it! and not invest in other things...

Ever hear the expression "snitches get stitches"? It's a way of life for some people. I don't adhere to it, but I'm not so blind as to others who do.

Perhaps I am alone in my thinking but I was less aghast at Mr. Spaulding's comment regarding that both men were responsible for fighting and more so at Mr. Woodworth's insinuation.

"I wonder what their occupation is? Inquiring minds would like to know on this fine media website. Could this have been work place violence due to their occupation?"

Why the outrage that someone deduced the fight was mutual but none that it was obviously insinuated that they obviously must be unemployed instead of perhaps 3rd shift workers, workers that already finished their shifts or workers who must work weekends thus having 2 weekdays off.
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Mr. Spaulding said: "so i start a fight, get my ass beat and, from what you are saying, the guy that beat me should be arrested.....doesn't sound right to me......."

Hey according to Florida law the guy that beat you after YOU started the fight could get SHOT let alone arrested.

Debbie, I got that John was thinking they might have been engaged in some sort of illicit activity as a means of supporting themselves.

Dave,

I got exactly what he was thinking. What I am saying is why is no one jumping on Mr. Woodworth for his assumption that they are both unemployed drug dealers (perhaps the fight was over a girl), yet crucifying Mr. Spaulding for his assumption the fighters were mutually at fault and "dropped their gloves" simultaneously.

im guessing that it is just the "history" of that neighborhood that is bringing out all these assumptions

Jeff, the living history, as we speak

Oh I get it. So people found on this street are to be presumed to be drug dealers until proven otherwise. Gotcha. Well obviously in this google maps pic a drug deal just went down between these 2 gentleman. Wonder which one is the dealer and which is the druggy.... Now that I think about it that cat looks a little "methy" too.

http://i.imgur.com/UOlEWC7.jpg

wow...hammer time on me......I didn't accuse anyone of anything..i did not say the guy on the ground started it, I did not say the guy arrested started it.... I did not say I was there.......all I said is that " both people involved should be arrested", then it's up to the court to figure out who the "victim" is......

from it takes two to tango, you all read more into what I said.......who ever said I am ignorant, thanks.......I know i'm stupid, it's the people out there who don't know how stupid they are, that scare me.......good day

Mark why do not you read the text and STOP making a mountain of a mole hill. What I get from David's comment (2ND) it is possible for someone to appear to be the victim but, in reality is the aggressor. It is very possible. If, you do not believe me use sports as an example. Someone starts the fight behind or out of site of an official. As an official turns the victim retaliates and appears to be the aggressor. Is David's statement plausible? Yes! Police have arrested both parties in a dispute many times with reason. The section of Batavia this incident took place is not the most upstanding part of Batavia. Before you blow more things out of proportion. No I am not saying the individual(s) are criminal(s), drug dealer(s), gang banger(s), etc.... Unless you know for sure it is not known. Does not mean it is not possible. Assumption does lead to misinformed and inaccurate comment.

"since it takes two to tango, I hope they arrested him too...."

Is laden assumption that the victim committed a crime. It can't really be read any other way and since there's no facts available to suggest the victim did anything wrong, it's exceptionally unfair to the victim. The comment made me cringe.

So if you're going to make accusations -- which is what this is -- that somebody committed a crime -- don't be surprised when others challenge you to back up such fanciful statements.

Well John, I read that quite differently..
And After rereading the post and the article, I am reading them both in exactly the same light.

As far as your neighborhood assertion goes, a lawyer would probably say in court, I object, purely speculative.

As far as assumption goes, The very first thing that I was taught at Ft McClellan was ASSUME NOTHING, base everything on the actual evidence,

And as we now know.

<strong>"Det. Kevin Czora said Horseman and the alleged victim are acquaintances, and while there may have been a verbal exchange prior to the victim being hit, witnesses said they saw nothing they believed would have provoked an assault."</strong>

Two separate post Mr. Spaulding said.

"since it takes two to tango, I hope they arrested him too...."

"i hope they arrested the guy on the ground too......"

How can that be anything but assumption as you read it?

I see nothing to mitigate my response to the post in question

Bad things happen in bad neighborhoods.......period....

Just my opinion, it sure seems like an awful lot of assumptions are being thrown around here.(1) BOTH PARTIES ARE GUILTY, (2)THIS IS A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD,(3) DRUG DEALING OR OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WAS TAKING PLACE. Give me a break, if I was walking around Centennial Park, and at some point had a verbal altercation with another person, which then escalated to fisticuffs, you all would assume (A) I was just as guilty as the guy who hit me,(B) I must be a bad person because of the neighborhood I was in,(C) the whole fight was a drug deal gone wrong.
I hope some of you never get called for jury duty.