Although I voted yes, I STRONGLY believe that Medicaid and Welfare tightening/reform are of a much greater priority. These two programs cost and waste WAY more than Medicare.
Bob, Medicaid reform is included in the GOP plan. Most of the discussions here have only focused on the Medicare reform part of the plan. I agree with you on the need for Welfare(though it is not called that anymore) reform.
I was disturbed by a recent Facebook status post that came across my wall:
"ahhh, the American Dream...unemployment!"
Now I realize that unemployment is NOT welfare, but it is the underlying sentiment that bothers me.
I believe that is why the following excerpt from the Ryan Plan struck such a chord with me:
"Until recently, Americans were known and admired everywhere for their hopeful determination to assume responsibility for the quality of their own lives; to rely on their own work and initiative; and to improve opportunities for their children to prosper in the future. But over time, Americans have been lured into viewing government – more than themselves, their families, their communities, their faith – as their main source of support; they have been drawn toward depending on the public sector for growing shares of their material and personal well-being. The trend drains individual initiative and personal responsibility. It creates an aversion to risk, sapping the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for growth, innovation, and prosperity. In turn, it subtly and gradually suffocates the creative potential for prosperity."
Welfare reform is more or less indirectly included in the Ryan Plan. It is more complicated because, in a sense, welfare reform is presented as "optional" by opting for the proposed Simplified Tax Code, which presents an interesting Catch-22 situation.
I still have some unanswered questions about the effect of the Ryan Plan on welfare reform; but I agree with the above philosophy.
Every elderly person who has to be admitted to a nursing home will at some point run out of their own money. That is when Medicaid kicks in to pay the bills. Do you really consider this welfare? Most of the people on Medicaid other than the elderly are children.
As far as Medicare is concerned, every person pays into the system their whole working life. Medicare has a 3% administrative cost. Private insurance has at least a 20% administrative cost. Do you really think giving seniors a check for a few thousand dollars to buy their insurance on the open market is a good thing? Medicare is not nor has it ever been welfare.
Paul Ryan, along with every other member of congress, gets his insurance through a government exchange.
We need to fix our entire health care system. We are all in this together.
Its very discusting but there are alot of people who view unemployment as a "vacation". Way more people then one would like to admit. Just off the top of my head i can think of 6 people and it makes me SICK.
First unemployment compensation comes from an insurance fund paid for out of an employees wages, and it pays far less than when employed. I hope that for you folks who proudly claim that there people who rely on the social safety net that Jane Corwin and Republicans are fast at work shredding might take and consider what you would do when faced with a catastrophic illness, long term unmployment or other personal tragedy that empties your precious piggy bank and leaves you in need of assistance. See how far your self relient make it on your own withut any help from your goverment works for you. See how generous your insurance provider is when you are late with the payment or reach the limit of your policy coverage when one of your family is hit with some unplanned and unforeseen illness or accident.
Deb...no one has implied that Medicaid is welfare.
As far as the overhead myth you are referring to and the misinformation you are re-stating about the Ryan plan, they have been discussed at great length on different threads on this site.
Paul Ryan wants every American to be able to get their health insurance from the same exchange that members of Congress and Federal Employees do.
Edmund, the NYS Insurance fund operates under a deficit borrowing about $90M a week from the federal gov't to pay out claims.
Come September 2011, more than $100M in interest from those loans is scheduled to start being paid back to the federal gov't, which may result in a punitive tax on employers to finance the repayment.
The comment I posted above: "ahhh, the American Dream...unemployment!", was made by someone on unemployment, not by me.
That should piss off everyone, especially those that rely on unemployment as a safety net.
Last year, NYS sent out notices to 80,000 claimants (7,000 in WNY) to recoup $140M ($12M in WNY)in fraudulent claims.
The only people shredding the safety net are those that abuse it and make it more costly for those that depend on it.
You must be under the mistaken notion that I am wealthy. I live with the same fears everyone else does as you described above: catastrophic illness, long term unemployment, personal tragedy. If I wasn't convinced that the Ryan plan offered a secure safety net I would NEVER support it because some day I might need it and I want to know that it is there. It's not a partisan thing, it's a personal thing.
Although I voted yes, I
Although I voted yes, I STRONGLY believe that Medicaid and Welfare tightening/reform are of a much greater priority. These two programs cost and waste WAY more than Medicare.
Bob, Medicaid reform is
Bob, Medicaid reform is included in the GOP plan. Most of the discussions here have only focused on the Medicare reform part of the plan. I agree with you on the need for Welfare(though it is not called that anymore) reform.
I was disturbed by a recent Facebook status post that came across my wall:
"ahhh, the American Dream...unemployment!"
Now I realize that unemployment is NOT welfare, but it is the underlying sentiment that bothers me.
I believe that is why the following excerpt from the Ryan Plan struck such a chord with me:
"Until recently, Americans were known and admired everywhere for their hopeful determination to assume responsibility for the quality of their own lives; to rely on their own work and initiative; and to improve opportunities for their children to prosper in the future. But over time, Americans have been lured into viewing government – more than themselves, their families, their communities, their faith – as their main source of support; they have been drawn toward depending on the public sector for growing shares of their material and personal well-being. The trend drains individual initiative and personal responsibility. It creates an aversion to risk, sapping the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for growth, innovation, and prosperity. In turn, it subtly and gradually suffocates the creative potential for prosperity."
Welfare reform is more or less indirectly included in the Ryan Plan. It is more complicated because, in a sense, welfare reform is presented as "optional" by opting for the proposed Simplified Tax Code, which presents an interesting Catch-22 situation.
I still have some unanswered questions about the effect of the Ryan Plan on welfare reform; but I agree with the above philosophy.
Every elderly person who has
Every elderly person who has to be admitted to a nursing home will at some point run out of their own money. That is when Medicaid kicks in to pay the bills. Do you really consider this welfare? Most of the people on Medicaid other than the elderly are children.
As far as Medicare is concerned, every person pays into the system their whole working life. Medicare has a 3% administrative cost. Private insurance has at least a 20% administrative cost. Do you really think giving seniors a check for a few thousand dollars to buy their insurance on the open market is a good thing? Medicare is not nor has it ever been welfare.
Paul Ryan, along with every other member of congress, gets his insurance through a government exchange.
We need to fix our entire health care system. We are all in this together.
Joanne, Its very discusting
Joanne,
Its very discusting but there are alot of people who view unemployment as a "vacation". Way more people then one would like to admit. Just off the top of my head i can think of 6 people and it makes me SICK.
First unemployment
First unemployment compensation comes from an insurance fund paid for out of an employees wages, and it pays far less than when employed. I hope that for you folks who proudly claim that there people who rely on the social safety net that Jane Corwin and Republicans are fast at work shredding might take and consider what you would do when faced with a catastrophic illness, long term unmployment or other personal tragedy that empties your precious piggy bank and leaves you in need of assistance. See how far your self relient make it on your own withut any help from your goverment works for you. See how generous your insurance provider is when you are late with the payment or reach the limit of your policy coverage when one of your family is hit with some unplanned and unforeseen illness or accident.
Deb...no one has implied that
Deb...no one has implied that Medicaid is welfare.
As far as the overhead myth you are referring to and the misinformation you are re-stating about the Ryan plan, they have been discussed at great length on different threads on this site.
Paul Ryan wants every American to be able to get their health insurance from the same exchange that members of Congress and Federal Employees do.
The overhead is no myth. You
The overhead is no myth. You are taking a key component out of the equation -- profit. And remember, Medicare is negotiated for the lowest fees.
Vermont just voted for a single payer system. Let's see how things work out with that.
Edmund, the NYS Insurance
Edmund, the NYS Insurance fund operates under a deficit borrowing about $90M a week from the federal gov't to pay out claims.
Come September 2011, more than $100M in interest from those loans is scheduled to start being paid back to the federal gov't, which may result in a punitive tax on employers to finance the repayment.
The comment I posted above: "ahhh, the American Dream...unemployment!", was made by someone on unemployment, not by me.
That should piss off everyone, especially those that rely on unemployment as a safety net.
Last year, NYS sent out notices to 80,000 claimants (7,000 in WNY) to recoup $140M ($12M in WNY)in fraudulent claims.
The only people shredding the safety net are those that abuse it and make it more costly for those that depend on it.
You must be under the mistaken notion that I am wealthy. I live with the same fears everyone else does as you described above: catastrophic illness, long term unemployment, personal tragedy. If I wasn't convinced that the Ryan plan offered a secure safety net I would NEVER support it because some day I might need it and I want to know that it is there. It's not a partisan thing, it's a personal thing.