The U.S. should not involve itself at all in Egypt's internal affairs.
Or any other nation's domestic affairs. We are not the police-or better yet, judge- of the world. Whatever happened to the principles set forth in the Monroe Doctrine? I thought it basically said you stay on that side of the world, we stay to ours.
Boy, Chris, this global economy has really worked out great for us, hasn't it?
At 235 years old as a nation, the "global economy" is a new concept. I think we were better off before the phrase was coined.
Since the inception of that concept, our economy has become void of the very asset that made us prosper - we are no longer a producer of goods, just consumers.
Is the economic outlook for your kids on a par with what it looked like when we were kids?
Bob, just out of curiosity, who's concept was Free Trade? (Please don't reply, 'the Illuminati.') It seems plausible that the folks worried most about the Bush tax break lapsing might know the answer. ...But ask the U. S. Chamber of Commerce; they pushed hardest for NAFTA and CAFTA.
Chris, I wasn't referring to multi-national corporations. I was referring to the American worker.
CM, valid points that I don't dispute. I'm more concerned with effect than origin though. Speaking from personal experience, job opportunities in this nation, and specifically around here, are far too few - especially for the more mature job seeker. I, personally, am running out of options. We may have to sell, uproot the family, and leave for greener pastures - wherever that may be - in spite of the fact that my wife's family is all here. And I'm certainly not alone.....
CM,
Besides the Chamber of Commerce, don't forget how hard Bill Clinton pushed for NAFTA. Without Clinton's support, I don't think it would have been passed.
Yeah exactly John, Clinton was the originator, not Bush. In the interest of fairness however I am the first to admit that Bush did nothing to abolish or reverse it either.
Fellas, for the record, NAFTA was conceived by the Reagan administration and first introduced by Bush Sr., Clinton just pushed it along. We were warned in1992 by Ross Perot and everyone called him a nut and derided him. Whatta ya think now?
Shouldn't the question be What should the U.S. response have been?" since they already issued their response yesterday? In case you missed it let me summarize it with the key phrases:
"Status quo"
"Change"
"Not sustainable"
"Transformation"
"Moment"
"One of those times"
"Want to be clear"
"We hear your voices"
"Determine your destiny"
Does this guy actually recycle the same speech over and over again and just insert identifiers to make it fit the circumstance. The great orator of our generation managed once again to say nothing at all.
I remember in the Democratic Debates
Obama had with Hillary he said he was going to reopen some of the trade agreements, NAFTA included if it was hurting USA..
I hate to rain on everyone's parade here, but the real source of our economic strain is clearly going back before even Reagan. Had Jefferson not made the Louisiana Purchase, which he wasn't even empowered to do by the constitution at that time, we wouldn't have all the problems that have come with being a Country that includes the land west of the Mississippi. Smaller country equals less jobs needed to keep everyone happy. Think about it long enough and you will know I am right, at that point forget everything you have just read.
I have only one point to offer. Anything containing the words "trade agreement" is not free trade. Obama is close to renewing a Korea-US Trade agreement. So bend over, here it comes again
We could continue to go back further and further to assign blame...or we can deal with the present, so back to the poll question. Interesting timeline fact: Days of peaceful demonstrations, U.S. finally issues it's response, violence breaks out. Those magic recycled words of the great uniter didn't seem to have the desired impact. And once again Anderson Cooper is manufacturing himself as the news instead of reporting it.
Of course we're going to stick our nose in on Egypt. Remember folks, theres oil in them there hills. And where there is oil, the U.S. nose will not be far away.
Does Egypt have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Mission Accomplished.......
The U.S. should not involve
The U.S. should not involve itself at all in Egypt's internal affairs.
Or any other nation's domestic affairs. We are not the police-or better yet, judge- of the world. Whatever happened to the principles set forth in the Monroe Doctrine? I thought it basically said you stay on that side of the world, we stay to ours.
The Monroe Doctrine wasn't
The Monroe Doctrine wasn't conceived in an era of global economy. The other side of the world is nearly as far away as it used to be.
The U.S. might better take
The U.S. might better take care of her own problems before claiming to be the expert on solving those of others.
Boy, Chris, this global
Boy, Chris, this global economy has really worked out great for us, hasn't it?
At 235 years old as a nation, the "global economy" is a new concept. I think we were better off before the phrase was coined.
Since the inception of that concept, our economy has become void of the very asset that made us prosper - we are no longer a producer of goods, just consumers.
Is the economic outlook for your kids on a par with what it looked like when we were kids?
The global economy has worked
The global economy has worked out well for multi-national corporations. My daughter's prospects? We'll have to wait and see.
Bob, just out of curiosity,
Bob, just out of curiosity, who's concept was Free Trade? (Please don't reply, 'the Illuminati.') It seems plausible that the folks worried most about the Bush tax break lapsing might know the answer. ...But ask the U. S. Chamber of Commerce; they pushed hardest for NAFTA and CAFTA.
.....and Free Trade with
.....and Free Trade with China....seems to have worked out just fine.....
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce represents the interests of muli-national corporations, not the majority of U.S. businesses or workers.
http://www.uschamber.com/about/board/board-directors
Chris, I wasn't referring to
Chris, I wasn't referring to multi-national corporations. I was referring to the American worker.
CM, valid points that I don't dispute. I'm more concerned with effect than origin though. Speaking from personal experience, job opportunities in this nation, and specifically around here, are far too few - especially for the more mature job seeker. I, personally, am running out of options. We may have to sell, uproot the family, and leave for greener pastures - wherever that may be - in spite of the fact that my wife's family is all here. And I'm certainly not alone.....
CM, Besides the Chamber of
CM,
Besides the Chamber of Commerce, don't forget how hard Bill Clinton pushed for NAFTA. Without Clinton's support, I don't think it would have been passed.
Yeah exactly John, Clinton
Yeah exactly John, Clinton was the originator, not Bush. In the interest of fairness however I am the first to admit that Bush did nothing to abolish or reverse it either.
Tim, I agree, Bush fully
Tim,
I agree, Bush fully supported NAFTA and the other trade deals, and he worked to expand them.
Fellas, for the record, NAFTA
Fellas, for the record, NAFTA was conceived by the Reagan administration and first introduced by Bush Sr., Clinton just pushed it along. We were warned in1992 by Ross Perot and everyone called him a nut and derided him. Whatta ya think now?
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Shouldn't the question be
Shouldn't the question be What should the U.S. response have been?" since they already issued their response yesterday? In case you missed it let me summarize it with the key phrases:
"Status quo"
"Change"
"Not sustainable"
"Transformation"
"Moment"
"One of those times"
"Want to be clear"
"We hear your voices"
"Determine your destiny"
Does this guy actually recycle the same speech over and over again and just insert identifiers to make it fit the circumstance. The great orator of our generation managed once again to say nothing at all.
Since we're taking a little
Since we're taking a little trip down memory lane, here's A little light reading for everyone who wants to know who really put this country in the position we are in:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/the-four-pillars-of-re…
Arthur Laffer actually thinks it's OK
I remember in the Democratic
I remember in the Democratic Debates
Obama had with Hillary he said he was going to reopen some of the trade agreements, NAFTA included if it was hurting USA..
I hate to rain on everyone's
I hate to rain on everyone's parade here, but the real source of our economic strain is clearly going back before even Reagan. Had Jefferson not made the Louisiana Purchase, which he wasn't even empowered to do by the constitution at that time, we wouldn't have all the problems that have come with being a Country that includes the land west of the Mississippi. Smaller country equals less jobs needed to keep everyone happy. Think about it long enough and you will know I am right, at that point forget everything you have just read.
Thanks for putting it in
Thanks for putting it in perspective John. LOL
I have only one point to offer. Anything containing the words "trade agreement" is not free trade. Obama is close to renewing a Korea-US Trade agreement. So bend over, here it comes again
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/12/09/ron-paul-walter-jones-write…
We could continue to go back
We could continue to go back further and further to assign blame...or we can deal with the present, so back to the poll question. Interesting timeline fact: Days of peaceful demonstrations, U.S. finally issues it's response, violence breaks out. Those magic recycled words of the great uniter didn't seem to have the desired impact. And once again Anderson Cooper is manufacturing himself as the news instead of reporting it.
Dave, thanks for seeing the
Dave, thanks for seeing the humor, and Jeff, thanks for seeing the point.
Mr. Perry, I bow to your
Mr. Perry,
I bow to your superior sense of humor. Well done.
Of course we're going to
Of course we're going to stick our nose in on Egypt. Remember folks, theres oil in them there hills. And where there is oil, the U.S. nose will not be far away.
Does Egypt have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Mission Accomplished.......