I admit I am biased, serving on the Charter Commission.
But I truly don’t think Consolidation will pass in the Town of Batavia this November. As it is now, they just don't gain that much. If consolidation is pushed this fast and fails, then nothing gets done.
The consolidation vote has no deadline, it can be voted on anytime after January. The Charter does have a legal deadline and it must be voted on in November, or no reforms can be made.
Something to think about: If the Charter stays the way it is, the City will have to go and hire a mandated, but unneeded Engineer and City Council will not be allowed to reform the way it runs. These are only two of the problems with not voting on the Charter.
I agree John. Consolidation is not going far with the town. They will never vote in favor of it because they don't have much to gain and there is no guarantee that the state money will keep coming indefinitely.
The fact is we need both and I have no idea how a competition like this developed. The question is do we vote to eliminate a government or reform small parts of it? Those of you who have been brainwashed into believing that everyone needs to keep their little kingdom are missing the point. We should have ONE county wide government and school district for that matter. The less government the better.
Eliminating all the small governments, Charlie, isn't less government. It's more. The bigger a government becomes, the more removed it is from the people. That isn't an argument against town/city consolidation, because that new government won't be that big. But the whole county? Makes me shiver.
Last night I went to a Stafford planning board meeting. Though I found the meandering conversation a little tedious at times (mainly because I hadn't had dinner yet), that's how small town government should be, and that would be lost in countywide consolidation.
Loss of local government is loss of local control. Most of us have a reason to complain about Albany but compared to the population our voice is small and insignificant (next to the power of the force) but our voice is large in the county and large still to the city council.
Local ordinances are where the most change can be made in the least amount of time because of local government.
Howard, a government for 50,000 people makes you shiver? That would not even be considered a big town in my book. Take a look at the size of Henrietta, Tonawanda or Cheektowaga. Why do we in GC have so much government? Are we smarter? NOT… The answer is no one wants to let go of their little bit of power. We would sooner find fake reasons to keep our friends jobs, than cut the size of government.
We then pretend to be “conservatives” the whole while we prop up NY government. New Yorkers LOVE BIG government and the taxes it brings. That is why we are in a deep hole. We the PEOPLE created the problem. We all want something for nothing. That is what makes us New Yorkers. That is why you can’t solve the problem. It isn’t them politicians, it’s time to look in the mirror.
How many politicians per square yard is a good thing? Should we have one for every ten people, thinking up ways to spend money? Sometimes I wonder what some of you are thinking. The problem is plain as day and no one can see through their own fogged glasses. Eliminate entrenched politicians and the good old boy network of protecting jobs and their own kingdoms. If you can’t see that, then there is nothing more for me to say. You’re a big government loving New Yorker and I have nothing in common with you. We simply don’t speak the same language.
Charlie, it isn't always about population. The people in Pavilion and Bethany and even Stafford and Elba would lose a degree of local control if there was just one big consolidated government. These small town and village governments are democracy at its finest. We can't ever lose that. I'm in Genesee County to get away from bigger and bigger government. I had enough of San Diego and Ventura County and Bakersfield. I like knowing my council representative, and I like going to these town board meetings and seeing how these small communities of people, who have worked together for years in many cases (if not generations) interact and solve their own problems. One consolidated government would destroy that, and it would be a profound, irreplaceable loss.
And FWIW, I have a hard time seeing a town board member in Elba or Stafford as a "politician." There's no career in that kind of service. It's truly public service. Protecting and cherishing that doesn't make you a big government advocate. It makes you a small government advocate -- the smaller the better.
The Batavia City Council would be less political if the offices were non-partisan. There shouldn't be Republican Democratic candidates. There should be citizens who want to donate some time to their community to help it improve and run efficiently. Take the politics out of it. That would be a huge reform for Batavia, bigger than consolidation and bigger than anything proposed by the current Charter Review Commission.
Unfortunately Charlie the path the consolidation committee seems to be pursuing would eliminate a very well functioning form of government with one that has a very poor track record. The only way I see this remotely having a chance is if the City government dissolved and the Town government with its proven track record took over the whole thing.
One last thing, when I hear the word consolidation I think of down sizing by reducing staffing and spending. What would essentially happen here is that 2 governments will become one large government with the same staffing and spending while relying solely on non guaranteed state aid as additional revenue. I just don't see the benefit.
Where is the cost saving of this deal...how manys jobs will city and town be able to cut...sounds like all we get is some money from the state for awhile but nothing else...whats in it for town who pay no tax and have part of their county tax paid for by the town...Lets vote on the Charter this year and vote on Consolidation next year...What is the big rush...You need time to educate the public on this...Sound like this isn't even all though out yet...Just alot of what ifs and maybes...The way it looks right now it will fail...At least i think ,i could be wrong but we have a better chance of getting the city charter approved...Charlie With your theory , would do away with state government also and just have the Federal do the job..Howard makes a great point..
No, NYC'ers love big government, not us close knit communities. I"ve said it before, we are nothing like the big city folks, and have suffered financially at their hand. We are small, and need to stay that way,{in my opinion}. Big City Politics have no place here. Nor do their BIG spending practices.
Localism at the detriment a fiscal solvency isn’t quaint Americana. That’s the mess that New Yorkers have created. We live in a utopia of big government, where small communities are unable to even provide basic services without state handouts.
We can’t afford to fix our roads with local tax money, so people in Albany tell us which ones get fixed and how the work will be done. We can’t pool our local money to get the job done either because, we are so inefficient and burdened down with layered government.
Sounds to me that the Town seems to know what they are doing..Its the City that needs to get their spending under control..maybe once they do that ,then is might be time to talk Consolidation..
Oh come on with the downsizing staff line. All someone would have to do is mention one position being cut and people would come out of the wood work crying. There is also no difference between big city and small town New Yorkers. Everyone wants something for nothing and to keep hold of their pork jobs and power. I hear nothing but, double talk. Each and every one of you defends Big Government while pretending to want to shrink it.
Mark, sounds again like you need to strap it on and go get yourself elected. You seem to talk the talk, now you should go walk the walk. You should go put yourself out there and recommend cuts and listen to your fellow New Yorkers cry about the need for Big government right here in our little, little town. Nothing like Americana to warm the heart.
Mr. Mallow - admit it, you're going to miss being their target, aren't you. I give you alot of credit for agreeing to put up with this crap on a daily basis as it is.
Like I've posted many times before, everybody wants to cut spending, right up until their little pet project is impacted. Then it's all the "other" departments and agencies that are supposed to be scrutinized first.
I'll be curious to see how many, if any of your big detractors step forward and prove they can do a better job. I won't be holding my breath though. It's pretty much the same thing in the business world. Everyone has a better idea how to do things until they're going to be held accountable for any decisions they might make, then they want nothing to do with any leadership roles at all.
Point is, nobody really knows how many jobs will be cut if we consolidate. The study group said no jobs would be cut at first, and then latter, by attrition and retirements, etc, the DPW will get smaller, but only the DPW.
The combined city/town administration would at least be smaller. And if we are a town, a lot smaller. If we stay a city, it might be much smaller, or it might be the same size.
The fire and police departments will be considered only after the consolidation deal is done, so who knows what will happen with them? Bigger or smaller?
Even the three tier tax idea is just that, an idea. There is nothing that states that will be the way it is done.
How can the issue of consolidation even come up and be on the ballot when there is no guarantee of what is going to be in the charter. From what I see and am hearing the town board and city council shouldn't even consider consolidation being on the ballot in November.
The thought of consolidation is being crammed down our throats too fast without fully looking at all consequences. Or I agree with Robert. Put it on the ballot and town residents will come out in masses and vote it down thus ending this ridiculous matter!
Gary- after the consolidation vote, the new government would have to write a new charter and elect a new government. That would take place in the year between the approvals at the ballot box and implementation. The charter the city now has or the new one would be irrelevant and invalid. Consolidation would form and entirely new government. The town would not be sucked into the city.
Howard-Political party endorsements have to do with political committees. Political committees endorse people based on who they believe represents their core values and most importantly who is a registered voter in their own party. I know you don’t seriously believe that party affiliation has much to do with the way someone will vote when they get into office, do you? Recent history proves that argument would be pure fiction. If you look back at all the real issues over the last two years, Council votes as a strong block. The votes are usually unanimous. Disagreements over technicalities only accounted for a handful of 8-1 or 7-2 votes. That fact was always lost in most media reports and instead a focus was put on the silly debates we might have had.
Andrew- part of me might miss some of being on Council but, it’s a part of my life that is over. It was a true honor being chosen to represent the city and now it is someone else’s turn. I just don’t believe in making public service a lifetime commitment. Everyone should feel and obligation to put themselves out there for a term and do their duty. I think the country would change for the better. I also think that the knowledge gained from serving a term would create a strong group of people that truly understood how the system works. The negativity I see would simply dry up. I believe strongly that most outrage is caused because people just don’t have a clue of what government is all about. The truth is people really just don’t care. They will usually pick out a few half truths and hang their hat on them. Elected people don’t usually respond because they think it is just hopeless to educate the public and don’t want to bother fighting with the negative minority.
The way I understand it the Charter Committee intended to revise the Charter in hopes of streamlining government and hopefullyy save "taxpayer" money. This past year our city was in violation of its Charter by having the Asst. City Manager run the DPW. When it came time to revise that issue the review Committee decided to keep that position in the Charter. Can some one tell me what Sally has been doing wrong that you feel we need to fill that $100,000 position. Has she done a bad job? Why do we need that department head? Have we suffered because of something she did wrong? Why do we need that position filled? Is it NYS law? If the City can save that much money and we don't feel a difference in service then why spend the money filling that position?
I also noticed how everybody claims the city is in such horrible financial shape. Last I heard was the $3mil debt is gone and we actually have a surplus that has been put into a contingency fund. Right now is the perfect time to look at shared services. We have several departments that are only a few miles from each other that could benefit greatly with shared service of equipment and personel. Also, thanks Charlie. Your leadership and that of Council and City Hall have done an amazing job of getting the City out of debt. I can't think of another City that has done that in these trying times. Thank you Jason and your staff, you did something big in tough times.
Tim,
You got it a little bit wrong. Sally was first hired to run the DPW when it seemed the Charter was going to remove the mandatory and unneeded Engineer position. Somebody had to run things, right? And, up until recently, she was only called the “Interim Asst. City Manager”. I was told a little while ago by Mr. Mallow that she has now been appointed to the Asst. Manager job full time, but I do not know when that took place.
Why hire an Engineer you don’t need when you would lay them off soon when the Charter was changed? That would not be good management.
However, if the Charter is not changed as some of you want, then she will have to be replaced with a mandatory Engineer, who will then run the DPW, solving your problem. And I think your wrong again, it will cost us a bit more than $100,000 for salary and benefits, but you were close enough.
Question: How much of a pay cut will Sally have to take when doing only one job (Asst City Manager), instead of the two she is doing now? Doing two jobs was the reason given for her being paid more than her boss, the manager, right?
I thought you knew the debt most of us talk about is the millions we owe on things like the new City Hall and the money we owe on Dwyer Stadium?
Yes, our short term debt you talk about has stopped. You ran for Council and talked about all this then.
I agree with you that Charlie, along with Rose Mary and others stopped the bleeding.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 5:00pm
......I believe strongly that most outrage is caused because people just don’t have a clue of what government is all about. The truth is people really just don’t care. They will usually pick out a few half truths and hang their hat on them. Elected people don’t usually respond because they think it is just hopeless to educate the public and don’t want to bother fighting with the negative minority.
Hopefully not everyone enters into public office with the same mindset.
People DO have a clue of what government is all about. People really DO care. That is why there are elections and why people come out to vote.
Quite possibly people are not really INFORMED of how their elected officials perceive THEM. Looking at the populace as mindless sheep who don't have the intelligence to be EDUCATED and equating negativity with stupidity raises red flags on so many levels.
Could it be that was how you looked at the citizens of Batavia? Do you really believe that all of the current council members share your opinion of the residents of the city?
Questioning the wisdom of the city council should not be looked upon as negativity (what the heck is wrong with these people, why don't they just shut up) but as a point to consider (just maybe, there is merit in this opinion). Questioning the actions of the council is meant to provoke thought and possibly change the path of action by them.
After reading this, I can't help but wonder about the amount of attention paid to people who go to the meetings in the hopes of airing their opinion. They may be heard, but is anyone really listening?
This is news to you Bea??? Sadly Bea, I have to tell you how it is. Very few people care enough to understand issues, they feel it is the elected peoples job to do it. That is why our Council meetings are empty and hardly anyone ever comes to speak. Those that do are usually informed, the very few there are. It would be nice if people passed on their viewpoints regularly but, I would be telling you the truth. Sorry, the truth hurts.
In fact Bea, I don’t recall you at many meetings or giving much if any feedback except for the last couple months on the site.
Bea, you brought up voting. Do you know how many people vote? The percentages? How about 20%-30% of registered voters is common. What is the other 70% doing? Do you think they care because you do? You recently joined the Democratic Committee. Do you know that Democrats vote even in lower numbers?
Charlie - How do you or anyone else know what will be in the new charter. Who are you to be talking about consolidation you decided to quit government. If voters gave the go ahead to move to consolidation what would go into the new charter could be weighted toward city residents due to the fact they would have more population resulting in more representation. Once consolidation moves ahead the charter would then be voted on by all residents again city residents out voting the town. If this isn't the city sucking in the town I don't know what is. Unfair representation.
Charlie you have become very bitter lately. Your whole tone has changed. You used to be very polite and got your point across much better. Now you just insult anyone that dares to ask questions.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 6:37pm
This is news to you Bea??? Sadly Bea, I have to tell you how it is. Very few people care enough to understand issues, they feel it is the elected peoples job to do it.
People are elected to DO a job. It isn't the citizens job to do it for them. That is why they are elected.
People running for office spend hours, days, weeks stumping their district and 'listening' to those who's vote they want.
Now, I'm hearing that the citizens were there for what? Window dressing? Photo ops?
That is why our Council meetings are empty and hardly anyone ever comes to speak. Those that do are usually informed, the very few there are. It would be nice if people passed on their viewpoints regularly but, I would be telling you the truth. Sorry, the truth hurts.
Maybe they finally GET that some sitting at the table just aren't listening. Maybe they got the impressiom that they are nothing but negative folk with a gripe. Same old, same old.
In fact Bea, I don’t recall you at many meetings or giving much if any feedback except for the last couple months on the site.
I've made no bones that I have always been more interested in national politics than local. Most likely because I was away from the city for a while.
Recently, however (I think thanks to this site) it occured to me that I might have something to offer on a local level. I have no desire to run for office. I did attend two committee meetings to learn what they were about. As someone new with no vote, it was my place to learn, not to talk.
I will not be considered for a seat on the city committee, at least not in the near future.
I have asked this before; if we don't change the Charter, then we have to hire an Engineer. Any idea what the salary was for the last one and how much will Sally's salary be cut since she will not be running the DPW?
Beth, he has always been like this. I'm just good at seeing things and people for what they are, right off the bat. My predictions, and intuitions are usually right. See, He thinks we are beneath him. Until he realizes that we are equals, and wont be fooled, and are intellegent,like him, will he learn to respect others, and their veiws. I dont think he knew how much the people of Batavia Ny, care about their community, taxes, each other, are involved in things, because it is our right. He works for us.
I also, from the first time I saw the red head, got a really bad vibe. This one hides from the public, and their questions. When he speaks, its in circles, and seldom do I feel comfort in his word. I actually felt a little sorry for him, as I saw him walking out of city hall. He looked tired and defeated. Now they could change this by coming down off their pedestals, but they probably will never do this. Sad but in my opinion, true. All it would take is a little mutual respect, and understanding.......Thats all guys
Beth, as you have said, I have been very polite but, that still never stopped people like Karen from taking cheap shots at me. My only goal in coming to the site has been to try and share some information. If you notice, I’m the only elected person who regularly takes time to answer questions.
Tim,
The Engineer is not a State requirment and can be removed from the Charter, if we vote on it. But right now Charlie wants to keep the Charter as is so that consolidation can go on the ballot. Since Sally is not a qualified Engineer, she can not have the job.
As for Sally doing a good or bad job, you would have to ask Jason, wouldn't you?
Karen, if the red-head you speak of is Jason, what matters if he is a social butterfly? He has a job to run this City and so far I think he has done extremely well. Let's look at the absolute horrible mess he was left. Our previous manager was so crooked and dis-honest he even left his house to be sold for taxes. Our City is now out of it's (yes John) immediate debt. All those other debts were well before Jason and a lot of us "taxpayers" even. I personally don't care how nice someone is especially if they are doing a great job. You don't beleive a word he says? Who cares! As long as that number on the bottom right hand of the page is a positive one. Let's not forget, the Council "approves" the budget, they don't write it. Can you imagine those nine trying to write a budget from scratch? They can't agree on $150 for a parade. Let's see them try to deal with a $20mil plus budget. I see Jason out at functions and he is always corteous and nice to my wife and me. He's marrying a Batavia girl and has shown a lot of dedication to this City. Probably more than a simple paycheck would get. It's tough to just buy dedication through a paycheck. He's has shown way more then that.
Karen, you have to give respect to earn it. Now you feel you can insult me personally? Why do you feel comfortable doing that? Red Head? What’s that? Should I insult you back?
I don’t ever recall hiding from anyone. I think the opposite as been true, that’s what you don’t like.
Why does asking a few questions and expressing healthy skepticism about different ideas and people become a personal attack? I'm reading this thread over and over again, still looking for where anyone pit-bulled Charlie, and yes, Karen can be very outspoken about her feelings about people, but where does that mount into her running a smear campaign?
Charlie ran for public office, he wanted it, he asked for this. Jason is the City Manager, he's used to being roundly criticized (he's a big boy, he can handle it).
Can we have a discussion here without taking every nuance and question personally? Or does this always have to turn into a massive flame war?
You are simply wrong. Most people in this country absolutely do NOT have a basic understanding of civics. Walk down any street in any town or the city and ask the first 20 people you meet some basic questions about government and you'll see for yourself. This sampling has been done many times all over the country and the results are always the same.
I'm also still waiting to read from any of the stone throwers that they are stepping forward to run for a city or town elected office. Now's your chance to be the answer to all of Genesee County's problems!
Karen, Charlie doesn't need me to defend him, but he makes a solid point: He's the only elected official to REGULARLY participate in The Batavian. Some other elected officials occasionally post a comment, and a few more are happy to talk with me regularly, but Charlie is the only elected using the site the way it was intended -- for the community to come together and discuss issues.
That's not the action of somebody who thinks he's above it all, but of somebody who sees himself right down in the trenches with the rest of us.
Just because you don't like his opinions doesn't make him a bad person. Charlie and I disagree all the time, and right in this thread, too boot, but I still respect him. He speaks his mind. That's a valuable asset in a public official. So many of them hide behind sound bites, trite phrases, canned speeches and safe talk.
Why beat him up for having an opinion and expressing it? That makes no sense to me.
Charlie, as you can see, I observe the others comments before I make mine. As you know, in my opinion, you, a city official, shouldn't be blogging on here. This is just my opinion, 1 person, its just not professional. Y I'm trying to see the good intent in you. You say your on here to answer questions, but have been degrating to those who have different views. Thats what fuels my comments. I'm no politician, nor saint, and also, I feel sorry for the position you are in. Maybe you should be praying for guidence. Charlie, I am truely sorry if I have been disrespectful. I was just reacting to your bloggs, and attitude. Men and Woman just think differently. And yes I am still mad about the ambulance thing LOL I'm just Cravitz'n you.
Good night
John, "that's what Charlie wanted?". Who the hell cares what Charlie wants? Isn't it up to you and the Committee? Aren't you and the Committee supposed to be representing us "taxpayers"? Are you saying one man can influence you into a decision that big? Shouldn't you be checking with the City attorney if it is legal or not, not Charlie? For the few enineering questions we have each year can't we hire an outside firm? Isn't that what we've been doing this year? I have asked Jason and Ray Tourt. They have both said there haven't been any problems. I would think before requiring City residents to another 20 years of a $100,000 (PLUS) job position you would get all the information you can and not let one man tell you what to do. If you have the power to eliminate a salary that large and that it would have virtually no impact on service I would think you would do it. You know what? I just got off the phone with Charlie to yell at him about his wanting to keep that position in the Charter. He said he never told you to keep it. Now what do we do for the City? Should you eliminate that position? I'm saying it here, in print, for all the world to see. Charlie says to eliminate from the Charter if it will save us that high paid salary. I'm saying be your own man anyway. If you and that Committee have the power to help out us "taxpayers", then do it.
Karen, I don't feel you have ever really given me a chance. It has never been my intent to be insulting. I took Beth’s comments about being bitter to heart. The city is an emotional topic for me; I have spent a good portion of my life over the last four years trying to make it a better place. If I have insulted you or anyone else I do apologize but, I think others here should understand that I am human as well, not some out of touch politician that people should feel comfortable insulting. If someone out there thinks they could do a better job, its your turn now. Don’t complain, do something about it. That’s the point I was trying to make.
John, when did I ever deny we had large debt from previous Councils? I never denied it. There are a few people who unfortunately have been on that Council for way to long. I think anyone who is currently on Council who was around for either the water deal, the stadium and the new City Hall should be ashamed of themselves and should resign immediately. They all know who they are and the best part is. so do most of us. If you're not up this year, you will be in two more years. John, we needed to address the short term debt before we can even think about the long term debt. Now we can focus on the long term debt and hopefully get rid of the people who were part of causing it. You can't pay off a house if you're paying credit cards. Yes, now we can focus on long term debts and their solutions.
I feel bad right at this moment for Mr. Mallow. I also have seen his tone change over the last year, but I can't believe it took this long for him to crack. I would have a hard time being "politically correct" all the time with the crap he takes from people. I don't live in the city, but I appreciate the effort he puts forth to serve the city and his constituents. And let's clear up the misconception this guy is getting rich doing this. I'm sure no one is making out financially. It's the feeling of good, doing for the people, that is the reward.
Tim,
You’re having another moment. If you had bothered to check, the Charter Committee will make the final decision on the vote in November. You might have to do some extra reading.
However, Charlie and others are pushing to have the vote canceled so they can have consolidation on the ballot instead. That’s why there was the poll.
All this is a result of a State Law that will not allow both the Charter and Consolidation on the ballot at the same time.
If you also took the time to check your facts, we have recommended the Engineer be eliminated. But, we have to get the Charter to a vote first. If we don’t vote this year, it stays in.
Saying the Charter should not be voted on, like Charlie said, is the same as saying keep everything the same, right?
Now for you to go on record: Which do you want on the ballot this year, the Charter reform or consolidation? Remember, consolidation can be voted on latter, the Charter can not.
Gee, I wonder how much of Karen's continued wrath directed at Charlie Mallow is due to the City Council's decision to end the FD Ambulance Service earlier this year. The adage about a woman scorned comes to mind.
Bud,
You're right. For the record, it cost Charlie as much to run for election as he has been paid. He isn't making any money on this. Heck, he didn't even get a job at the race track!
We drove past Zigrossi's earlier this evening and there are only about 10 cars on the lot. I haven't read anywhere they are slated to close as part of the GM organization but it sure looks like it.
Thanks Bud, Andrew, John, Beth, Howard and Tim for your comments. I’ll do my best to be more “politically correct” and not so bitter responding to people.
And John is right, it cost me more to run than I made being on Council. I also, still drive 104 miles everyday to get to work and no political patronage jobs are in my future.
For the record Charlie - as a city resident I appreciate all you've done for this city. We are in much better shape than before you were elected. No one can deny that.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 9:41pm
Thanks Bud, Andrew, John, Beth, Howard and Tim for your comments. I’ll do my best to be more “politically correct” and not so bitter responding to people.
And John is right, it cost me more to run than I made being on Council. I also, still drive 104 miles everyday to get to work and no political patronage jobs are in my future.
If someone insinuated that you are on the council for the money, I missed it. It never entered my mind to think that you were in it for financial gain.
If you feel you were insulted by my response to your opinion of the public, then I'm sorry.
You are talking to just a few of those who vote in this city. Those who post to this board are politically astute, some more than others (and I do not consider myself the most astute or remotely close). Your comments were directed to those who read your posts.
Perhaps you were having a bad day or, quite possibly, you finally got it all off your chest and let us know how you really feel.
Whichever the case, I hope you can understand that those of us who read and post are not brain dead. As much as you feel that your feelings were hurt, I can assure you that you raised the hackles by your comments. That hurt goes two ways.
I would prefer that we can agree to disagree with a modicum of courtesy in the future.
John, I only have moments with liars, cheaters and thieves. Since the Council has someone that fits each one of those monikers and have demonstrated it, I decided not to run. Why would I want to hang around people like that? I don't know what you mean by "moments" here? I do get pissed-off at liars, cheaters and thieves, but I never put you in any of those catgories. I don't know why you got personal with me? All I did was ask a public person some questions that you could answer. I never attcked you or made it personal. I made some remarks towards some Council people but never at you. There wasn't even a glimmer of a mean spirited question towards you, was there?
Tim,
Your post at 5:18 PM, made it sound like everything is fine and that we are out of debt. I said we are still deep in debt and just wanted you to acknowledge it. You did and now that is all cleared up, thank you.
The “having a moment” comment was a reference to your 9:13 PM post. Read it again.
Note: There is only one person still in office who voted for all the bad ideas you mentioned, and that is Ed DeJannerio, who is now on the County Legislature. Are you against him?
There are two people still on the City Council who tried to stop the water deal and the new city hall, Kathy Briggs and Rose Mary Christian. They tried to stop the debt, so why would you want them to go?
The $3 million dollar debt that Charlie, Rose Mary, Kathy and others stopped was mostly the fault of one of the incumbents running for reelection to Council this year. I hope you will work hard to remove him and say so right here?
Did you vote in the poll? Where do you stand? Do you want Charter reform or Consolidation this year on the ballot?
John, I already answered you on that. If the Charter changes streamline things and help save the "taxpayers" real money then I support it. If the changes are minimal and you didn't accomplish what you set out to do then, no.
I admit I am biased, serving
I admit I am biased, serving on the Charter Commission.
But I truly don’t think Consolidation will pass in the Town of Batavia this November. As it is now, they just don't gain that much. If consolidation is pushed this fast and fails, then nothing gets done.
The consolidation vote has no deadline, it can be voted on anytime after January. The Charter does have a legal deadline and it must be voted on in November, or no reforms can be made.
Something to think about: If the Charter stays the way it is, the City will have to go and hire a mandated, but unneeded Engineer and City Council will not be allowed to reform the way it runs. These are only two of the problems with not voting on the Charter.
I agree John. Consolidation
I agree John. Consolidation is not going far with the town. They will never vote in favor of it because they don't have much to gain and there is no guarantee that the state money will keep coming indefinitely.
John, I agree with you too.
John,
I agree with you too. All the more reason to put consolidation on the ballot so us Town residents can vote it down and be done with it.
Isn't a current Councilman's
Isn't a current Councilman's WIFE on the Charter Commitee??? Isn't that a conflict of interest??
If it isn't, then it SHOULD be!
Julie, Yes she is on it, and
Julie,
Yes she is on it, and no, after almost 18 months,it has not been a conflict, She is very good on this Committee.
The fact is we need both and
The fact is we need both and I have no idea how a competition like this developed. The question is do we vote to eliminate a government or reform small parts of it? Those of you who have been brainwashed into believing that everyone needs to keep their little kingdom are missing the point. We should have ONE county wide government and school district for that matter. The less government the better.
Eliminating all the small
Eliminating all the small governments, Charlie, isn't less government. It's more. The bigger a government becomes, the more removed it is from the people. That isn't an argument against town/city consolidation, because that new government won't be that big. But the whole county? Makes me shiver.
Last night I went to a Stafford planning board meeting. Though I found the meandering conversation a little tedious at times (mainly because I hadn't had dinner yet), that's how small town government should be, and that would be lost in countywide consolidation.
Loss of local government is
Loss of local government is loss of local control. Most of us have a reason to complain about Albany but compared to the population our voice is small and insignificant (next to the power of the force) but our voice is large in the county and large still to the city council.
Local ordinances are where the most change can be made in the least amount of time because of local government.
Charlie, The reason their is
Charlie,
The reason their is a problem is that NYS law will only allow one measure on the ballot.
We can have both if the consolidation vote is put off until after January.
Howard, a government for
Howard, a government for 50,000 people makes you shiver? That would not even be considered a big town in my book. Take a look at the size of Henrietta, Tonawanda or Cheektowaga. Why do we in GC have so much government? Are we smarter? NOT… The answer is no one wants to let go of their little bit of power. We would sooner find fake reasons to keep our friends jobs, than cut the size of government.
We then pretend to be “conservatives” the whole while we prop up NY government. New Yorkers LOVE BIG government and the taxes it brings. That is why we are in a deep hole. We the PEOPLE created the problem. We all want something for nothing. That is what makes us New Yorkers. That is why you can’t solve the problem. It isn’t them politicians, it’s time to look in the mirror.
How many politicians per
How many politicians per square yard is a good thing? Should we have one for every ten people, thinking up ways to spend money? Sometimes I wonder what some of you are thinking. The problem is plain as day and no one can see through their own fogged glasses. Eliminate entrenched politicians and the good old boy network of protecting jobs and their own kingdoms. If you can’t see that, then there is nothing more for me to say. You’re a big government loving New Yorker and I have nothing in common with you. We simply don’t speak the same language.
Charlie, it isn't always
Charlie, it isn't always about population. The people in Pavilion and Bethany and even Stafford and Elba would lose a degree of local control if there was just one big consolidated government. These small town and village governments are democracy at its finest. We can't ever lose that. I'm in Genesee County to get away from bigger and bigger government. I had enough of San Diego and Ventura County and Bakersfield. I like knowing my council representative, and I like going to these town board meetings and seeing how these small communities of people, who have worked together for years in many cases (if not generations) interact and solve their own problems. One consolidated government would destroy that, and it would be a profound, irreplaceable loss.
And FWIW, I have a hard time
And FWIW, I have a hard time seeing a town board member in Elba or Stafford as a "politician." There's no career in that kind of service. It's truly public service. Protecting and cherishing that doesn't make you a big government advocate. It makes you a small government advocate -- the smaller the better.
The Batavia City Council would be less political if the offices were non-partisan. There shouldn't be Republican Democratic candidates. There should be citizens who want to donate some time to their community to help it improve and run efficiently. Take the politics out of it. That would be a huge reform for Batavia, bigger than consolidation and bigger than anything proposed by the current Charter Review Commission.
Unfortunately Charlie the
Unfortunately Charlie the path the consolidation committee seems to be pursuing would eliminate a very well functioning form of government with one that has a very poor track record. The only way I see this remotely having a chance is if the City government dissolved and the Town government with its proven track record took over the whole thing.
One last thing, when I hear the word consolidation I think of down sizing by reducing staffing and spending. What would essentially happen here is that 2 governments will become one large government with the same staffing and spending while relying solely on non guaranteed state aid as additional revenue. I just don't see the benefit.
Where is the cost saving of
Where is the cost saving of this deal...how manys jobs will city and town be able to cut...sounds like all we get is some money from the state for awhile but nothing else...whats in it for town who pay no tax and have part of their county tax paid for by the town...Lets vote on the Charter this year and vote on Consolidation next year...What is the big rush...You need time to educate the public on this...Sound like this isn't even all though out yet...Just alot of what ifs and maybes...The way it looks right now it will fail...At least i think ,i could be wrong but we have a better chance of getting the city charter approved...Charlie With your theory , would do away with state government also and just have the Federal do the job..Howard makes a great point..
No, NYC'ers love big
No, NYC'ers love big government, not us close knit communities. I"ve said it before, we are nothing like the big city folks, and have suffered financially at their hand. We are small, and need to stay that way,{in my opinion}. Big City Politics have no place here. Nor do their BIG spending practices.
Localism at the detriment a
Localism at the detriment a fiscal solvency isn’t quaint Americana. That’s the mess that New Yorkers have created. We live in a utopia of big government, where small communities are unable to even provide basic services without state handouts.
We can’t afford to fix our roads with local tax money, so people in Albany tell us which ones get fixed and how the work will be done. We can’t pool our local money to get the job done either because, we are so inefficient and burdened down with layered government.
Sounds to me that the Town
Sounds to me that the Town seems to know what they are doing..Its the City that needs to get their spending under control..maybe once they do that ,then is might be time to talk Consolidation..
Oh come on with the
Oh come on with the downsizing staff line. All someone would have to do is mention one position being cut and people would come out of the wood work crying. There is also no difference between big city and small town New Yorkers. Everyone wants something for nothing and to keep hold of their pork jobs and power. I hear nothing but, double talk. Each and every one of you defends Big Government while pretending to want to shrink it.
Mark, sounds again like you
Mark, sounds again like you need to strap it on and go get yourself elected. You seem to talk the talk, now you should go walk the walk. You should go put yourself out there and recommend cuts and listen to your fellow New Yorkers cry about the need for Big government right here in our little, little town. Nothing like Americana to warm the heart.
Mark. PS your petitions are
Mark.
PS your petitions are do on the 10th. You got a lot of work to do.
"No, NYC'ers love big
"No, NYC'ers love big government, not us close knit communities"
Karen, that's a joke right?
Howard, Political party
Howard, Political party affiliation means nothing on City Council. There has not been a party line vote for years.
Mr. Mallow - admit it, you're
Mr. Mallow - admit it, you're going to miss being their target, aren't you. I give you alot of credit for agreeing to put up with this crap on a daily basis as it is.
Like I've posted many times before, everybody wants to cut spending, right up until their little pet project is impacted. Then it's all the "other" departments and agencies that are supposed to be scrutinized first.
I'll be curious to see how many, if any of your big detractors step forward and prove they can do a better job. I won't be holding my breath though. It's pretty much the same thing in the business world. Everyone has a better idea how to do things until they're going to be held accountable for any decisions they might make, then they want nothing to do with any leadership roles at all.
Charlie, then why all of
Charlie, then why all of these Republican and Democrat endorsements?
Also, doing away with local governments isn't going to fix Albany.
Point is, nobody really knows
Point is, nobody really knows how many jobs will be cut if we consolidate. The study group said no jobs would be cut at first, and then latter, by attrition and retirements, etc, the DPW will get smaller, but only the DPW.
The combined city/town administration would at least be smaller. And if we are a town, a lot smaller. If we stay a city, it might be much smaller, or it might be the same size.
The fire and police departments will be considered only after the consolidation deal is done, so who knows what will happen with them? Bigger or smaller?
Even the three tier tax idea is just that, an idea. There is nothing that states that will be the way it is done.
How can the issue of
How can the issue of consolidation even come up and be on the ballot when there is no guarantee of what is going to be in the charter. From what I see and am hearing the town board and city council shouldn't even consider consolidation being on the ballot in November.
The thought of consolidation is being crammed down our throats too fast without fully looking at all consequences. Or I agree with Robert. Put it on the ballot and town residents will come out in masses and vote it down thus ending this ridiculous matter!
Gary- after the consolidation
Gary- after the consolidation vote, the new government would have to write a new charter and elect a new government. That would take place in the year between the approvals at the ballot box and implementation. The charter the city now has or the new one would be irrelevant and invalid. Consolidation would form and entirely new government. The town would not be sucked into the city.
Howard-Political party endorsements have to do with political committees. Political committees endorse people based on who they believe represents their core values and most importantly who is a registered voter in their own party. I know you don’t seriously believe that party affiliation has much to do with the way someone will vote when they get into office, do you? Recent history proves that argument would be pure fiction. If you look back at all the real issues over the last two years, Council votes as a strong block. The votes are usually unanimous. Disagreements over technicalities only accounted for a handful of 8-1 or 7-2 votes. That fact was always lost in most media reports and instead a focus was put on the silly debates we might have had.
Andrew- part of me might miss some of being on Council but, it’s a part of my life that is over. It was a true honor being chosen to represent the city and now it is someone else’s turn. I just don’t believe in making public service a lifetime commitment. Everyone should feel and obligation to put themselves out there for a term and do their duty. I think the country would change for the better. I also think that the knowledge gained from serving a term would create a strong group of people that truly understood how the system works. The negativity I see would simply dry up. I believe strongly that most outrage is caused because people just don’t have a clue of what government is all about. The truth is people really just don’t care. They will usually pick out a few half truths and hang their hat on them. Elected people don’t usually respond because they think it is just hopeless to educate the public and don’t want to bother fighting with the negative minority.
The way I understand it the
The way I understand it the Charter Committee intended to revise the Charter in hopes of streamlining government and hopefullyy save "taxpayer" money. This past year our city was in violation of its Charter by having the Asst. City Manager run the DPW. When it came time to revise that issue the review Committee decided to keep that position in the Charter. Can some one tell me what Sally has been doing wrong that you feel we need to fill that $100,000 position. Has she done a bad job? Why do we need that department head? Have we suffered because of something she did wrong? Why do we need that position filled? Is it NYS law? If the City can save that much money and we don't feel a difference in service then why spend the money filling that position?
I also noticed how everybody
I also noticed how everybody claims the city is in such horrible financial shape. Last I heard was the $3mil debt is gone and we actually have a surplus that has been put into a contingency fund. Right now is the perfect time to look at shared services. We have several departments that are only a few miles from each other that could benefit greatly with shared service of equipment and personel. Also, thanks Charlie. Your leadership and that of Council and City Hall have done an amazing job of getting the City out of debt. I can't think of another City that has done that in these trying times. Thank you Jason and your staff, you did something big in tough times.
Tim, You got it a little bit
Tim,
You got it a little bit wrong. Sally was first hired to run the DPW when it seemed the Charter was going to remove the mandatory and unneeded Engineer position. Somebody had to run things, right? And, up until recently, she was only called the “Interim Asst. City Manager”. I was told a little while ago by Mr. Mallow that she has now been appointed to the Asst. Manager job full time, but I do not know when that took place.
Why hire an Engineer you don’t need when you would lay them off soon when the Charter was changed? That would not be good management.
However, if the Charter is not changed as some of you want, then she will have to be replaced with a mandatory Engineer, who will then run the DPW, solving your problem. And I think your wrong again, it will cost us a bit more than $100,000 for salary and benefits, but you were close enough.
Question: How much of a pay cut will Sally have to take when doing only one job (Asst City Manager), instead of the two she is doing now? Doing two jobs was the reason given for her being paid more than her boss, the manager, right?
I thought you knew the debt most of us talk about is the millions we owe on things like the new City Hall and the money we owe on Dwyer Stadium?
Yes, our short term debt you talk about has stopped. You ran for Council and talked about all this then.
I agree with you that Charlie, along with Rose Mary and others stopped the bleeding.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 5:00pm
......I believe strongly that most outrage is caused because people just don’t have a clue of what government is all about. The truth is people really just don’t care. They will usually pick out a few half truths and hang their hat on them. Elected people don’t usually respond because they think it is just hopeless to educate the public and don’t want to bother fighting with the negative minority.
Hopefully not everyone enters into public office with the same mindset.
People DO have a clue of what government is all about. People really DO care. That is why there are elections and why people come out to vote.
Quite possibly people are not really INFORMED of how their elected officials perceive THEM. Looking at the populace as mindless sheep who don't have the intelligence to be EDUCATED and equating negativity with stupidity raises red flags on so many levels.
Could it be that was how you looked at the citizens of Batavia? Do you really believe that all of the current council members share your opinion of the residents of the city?
Questioning the wisdom of the city council should not be looked upon as negativity (what the heck is wrong with these people, why don't they just shut up) but as a point to consider (just maybe, there is merit in this opinion). Questioning the actions of the council is meant to provoke thought and possibly change the path of action by them.
After reading this, I can't help but wonder about the amount of attention paid to people who go to the meetings in the hopes of airing their opinion. They may be heard, but is anyone really listening?
This is news to you Bea???
This is news to you Bea??? Sadly Bea, I have to tell you how it is. Very few people care enough to understand issues, they feel it is the elected peoples job to do it. That is why our Council meetings are empty and hardly anyone ever comes to speak. Those that do are usually informed, the very few there are. It would be nice if people passed on their viewpoints regularly but, I would be telling you the truth. Sorry, the truth hurts.
In fact Bea, I don’t recall you at many meetings or giving much if any feedback except for the last couple months on the site.
Bea, you brought up voting.
Bea, you brought up voting. Do you know how many people vote? The percentages? How about 20%-30% of registered voters is common. What is the other 70% doing? Do you think they care because you do? You recently joined the Democratic Committee. Do you know that Democrats vote even in lower numbers?
Charlie - How do you or
Charlie - How do you or anyone else know what will be in the new charter. Who are you to be talking about consolidation you decided to quit government. If voters gave the go ahead to move to consolidation what would go into the new charter could be weighted toward city residents due to the fact they would have more population resulting in more representation. Once consolidation moves ahead the charter would then be voted on by all residents again city residents out voting the town. If this isn't the city sucking in the town I don't know what is. Unfair representation.
Wow, you disagree with
Wow, you disagree with Charlie and...
A. Your a naysayer.
B. Your clueless.
What a way to talk about your constituents.
What I'm talking about is a
What I'm talking about is a lack of involvement in the election process and politics in general.
This is not news...
Charlie you have become very
Charlie you have become very bitter lately. Your whole tone has changed. You used to be very polite and got your point across much better. Now you just insult anyone that dares to ask questions.
Which question did I respond
Which question did I respond in a negetive way too? Bea insulted me, that wasn't a question.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 6:37pm
This is news to you Bea??? Sadly Bea, I have to tell you how it is. Very few people care enough to understand issues, they feel it is the elected peoples job to do it.
People are elected to DO a job. It isn't the citizens job to do it for them. That is why they are elected.
People running for office spend hours, days, weeks stumping their district and 'listening' to those who's vote they want.
Now, I'm hearing that the citizens were there for what? Window dressing? Photo ops?
That is why our Council meetings are empty and hardly anyone ever comes to speak. Those that do are usually informed, the very few there are. It would be nice if people passed on their viewpoints regularly but, I would be telling you the truth. Sorry, the truth hurts.
Maybe they finally GET that some sitting at the table just aren't listening. Maybe they got the impressiom that they are nothing but negative folk with a gripe. Same old, same old.
In fact Bea, I don’t recall you at many meetings or giving much if any feedback except for the last couple months on the site.
I've made no bones that I have always been more interested in national politics than local. Most likely because I was away from the city for a while.
Recently, however (I think thanks to this site) it occured to me that I might have something to offer on a local level. I have no desire to run for office. I did attend two committee meetings to learn what they were about. As someone new with no vote, it was my place to learn, not to talk.
I will not be considered for a seat on the city committee, at least not in the near future.
Charlie, Maybe we can change
Charlie,
Maybe we can change the tone a bit.
I have asked this before; if we don't change the Charter, then we have to hire an Engineer. Any idea what the salary was for the last one and how much will Sally's salary be cut since she will not be running the DPW?
Beth, he has always been like
Beth, he has always been like this. I'm just good at seeing things and people for what they are, right off the bat. My predictions, and intuitions are usually right. See, He thinks we are beneath him. Until he realizes that we are equals, and wont be fooled, and are intellegent,like him, will he learn to respect others, and their veiws. I dont think he knew how much the people of Batavia Ny, care about their community, taxes, each other, are involved in things, because it is our right. He works for us.
I also, from the first time I saw the red head, got a really bad vibe. This one hides from the public, and their questions. When he speaks, its in circles, and seldom do I feel comfort in his word. I actually felt a little sorry for him, as I saw him walking out of city hall. He looked tired and defeated. Now they could change this by coming down off their pedestals, but they probably will never do this. Sad but in my opinion, true. All it would take is a little mutual respect, and understanding.......Thats all guys
John, that was one of the
John, that was one of the questions. Is an engineer a State requirement? Can that position be removed? Is Sally doing a bad job?
Beth, as you have said, I
Beth, as you have said, I have been very polite but, that still never stopped people like Karen from taking cheap shots at me. My only goal in coming to the site has been to try and share some information. If you notice, I’m the only elected person who regularly takes time to answer questions.
Tim, The Engineer is not a
Tim,
The Engineer is not a State requirment and can be removed from the Charter, if we vote on it. But right now Charlie wants to keep the Charter as is so that consolidation can go on the ballot. Since Sally is not a qualified Engineer, she can not have the job.
As for Sally doing a good or bad job, you would have to ask Jason, wouldn't you?
Karen, if the red-head you
Karen, if the red-head you speak of is Jason, what matters if he is a social butterfly? He has a job to run this City and so far I think he has done extremely well. Let's look at the absolute horrible mess he was left. Our previous manager was so crooked and dis-honest he even left his house to be sold for taxes. Our City is now out of it's (yes John) immediate debt. All those other debts were well before Jason and a lot of us "taxpayers" even. I personally don't care how nice someone is especially if they are doing a great job. You don't beleive a word he says? Who cares! As long as that number on the bottom right hand of the page is a positive one. Let's not forget, the Council "approves" the budget, they don't write it. Can you imagine those nine trying to write a budget from scratch? They can't agree on $150 for a parade. Let's see them try to deal with a $20mil plus budget. I see Jason out at functions and he is always corteous and nice to my wife and me. He's marrying a Batavia girl and has shown a lot of dedication to this City. Probably more than a simple paycheck would get. It's tough to just buy dedication through a paycheck. He's has shown way more then that.
Charlie-Where did anyone take
Charlie-Where did anyone take a cheap shot at you?
Your in public life, you asked for it.
Karen, you have to give
Karen, you have to give respect to earn it. Now you feel you can insult me personally? Why do you feel comfortable doing that? Red Head? What’s that? Should I insult you back?
I don’t ever recall hiding from anyone. I think the opposite as been true, that’s what you don’t like.
Why does asking a few
Why does asking a few questions and expressing healthy skepticism about different ideas and people become a personal attack? I'm reading this thread over and over again, still looking for where anyone pit-bulled Charlie, and yes, Karen can be very outspoken about her feelings about people, but where does that mount into her running a smear campaign?
Charlie ran for public office, he wanted it, he asked for this. Jason is the City Manager, he's used to being roundly criticized (he's a big boy, he can handle it).
Can we have a discussion here without taking every nuance and question personally? Or does this always have to turn into a massive flame war?
Bea; You are simply wrong.
Bea;
You are simply wrong. Most people in this country absolutely do NOT have a basic understanding of civics. Walk down any street in any town or the city and ask the first 20 people you meet some basic questions about government and you'll see for yourself. This sampling has been done many times all over the country and the results are always the same.
I'm also still waiting to read from any of the stone throwers that they are stepping forward to run for a city or town elected office. Now's your chance to be the answer to all of Genesee County's problems!
Dan, I asked for cheap shots?
Dan, I asked for cheap shots? You’re vice chair of the City Democratic Committee, last time I checked? Are you in public life then?
Tim, That other long term
Tim,
That other long term debt, in the millions of dollars, is what I wanted you to admit to, thanks.
Karen, Charlie doesn't need
Karen, Charlie doesn't need me to defend him, but he makes a solid point: He's the only elected official to REGULARLY participate in The Batavian. Some other elected officials occasionally post a comment, and a few more are happy to talk with me regularly, but Charlie is the only elected using the site the way it was intended -- for the community to come together and discuss issues.
That's not the action of somebody who thinks he's above it all, but of somebody who sees himself right down in the trenches with the rest of us.
Just because you don't like his opinions doesn't make him a bad person. Charlie and I disagree all the time, and right in this thread, too boot, but I still respect him. He speaks his mind. That's a valuable asset in a public official. So many of them hide behind sound bites, trite phrases, canned speeches and safe talk.
Why beat him up for having an opinion and expressing it? That makes no sense to me.
Charlie, as you can see, I
Charlie, as you can see, I observe the others comments before I make mine. As you know, in my opinion, you, a city official, shouldn't be blogging on here. This is just my opinion, 1 person, its just not professional. Y I'm trying to see the good intent in you. You say your on here to answer questions, but have been degrating to those who have different views. Thats what fuels my comments. I'm no politician, nor saint, and also, I feel sorry for the position you are in. Maybe you should be praying for guidence. Charlie, I am truely sorry if I have been disrespectful. I was just reacting to your bloggs, and attitude. Men and Woman just think differently. And yes I am still mad about the ambulance thing LOL I'm just Cravitz'n you.
Good night
John, "that's what Charlie
John, "that's what Charlie wanted?". Who the hell cares what Charlie wants? Isn't it up to you and the Committee? Aren't you and the Committee supposed to be representing us "taxpayers"? Are you saying one man can influence you into a decision that big? Shouldn't you be checking with the City attorney if it is legal or not, not Charlie? For the few enineering questions we have each year can't we hire an outside firm? Isn't that what we've been doing this year? I have asked Jason and Ray Tourt. They have both said there haven't been any problems. I would think before requiring City residents to another 20 years of a $100,000 (PLUS) job position you would get all the information you can and not let one man tell you what to do. If you have the power to eliminate a salary that large and that it would have virtually no impact on service I would think you would do it. You know what? I just got off the phone with Charlie to yell at him about his wanting to keep that position in the Charter. He said he never told you to keep it. Now what do we do for the City? Should you eliminate that position? I'm saying it here, in print, for all the world to see. Charlie says to eliminate from the Charter if it will save us that high paid salary. I'm saying be your own man anyway. If you and that Committee have the power to help out us "taxpayers", then do it.
Karen, I don't feel you have
Karen, I don't feel you have ever really given me a chance. It has never been my intent to be insulting. I took Beth’s comments about being bitter to heart. The city is an emotional topic for me; I have spent a good portion of my life over the last four years trying to make it a better place. If I have insulted you or anyone else I do apologize but, I think others here should understand that I am human as well, not some out of touch politician that people should feel comfortable insulting. If someone out there thinks they could do a better job, its your turn now. Don’t complain, do something about it. That’s the point I was trying to make.
John, when did I ever deny we
John, when did I ever deny we had large debt from previous Councils? I never denied it. There are a few people who unfortunately have been on that Council for way to long. I think anyone who is currently on Council who was around for either the water deal, the stadium and the new City Hall should be ashamed of themselves and should resign immediately. They all know who they are and the best part is. so do most of us. If you're not up this year, you will be in two more years. John, we needed to address the short term debt before we can even think about the long term debt. Now we can focus on the long term debt and hopefully get rid of the people who were part of causing it. You can't pay off a house if you're paying credit cards. Yes, now we can focus on long term debts and their solutions.
I feel bad right at this
I feel bad right at this moment for Mr. Mallow. I also have seen his tone change over the last year, but I can't believe it took this long for him to crack. I would have a hard time being "politically correct" all the time with the crap he takes from people. I don't live in the city, but I appreciate the effort he puts forth to serve the city and his constituents. And let's clear up the misconception this guy is getting rich doing this. I'm sure no one is making out financially. It's the feeling of good, doing for the people, that is the reward.
Tim, You’re having another
Tim,
You’re having another moment. If you had bothered to check, the Charter Committee will make the final decision on the vote in November. You might have to do some extra reading.
However, Charlie and others are pushing to have the vote canceled so they can have consolidation on the ballot instead. That’s why there was the poll.
All this is a result of a State Law that will not allow both the Charter and Consolidation on the ballot at the same time.
If you also took the time to check your facts, we have recommended the Engineer be eliminated. But, we have to get the Charter to a vote first. If we don’t vote this year, it stays in.
Saying the Charter should not be voted on, like Charlie said, is the same as saying keep everything the same, right?
Now for you to go on record: Which do you want on the ballot this year, the Charter reform or consolidation? Remember, consolidation can be voted on latter, the Charter can not.
Gee, I wonder how much of
Gee, I wonder how much of Karen's continued wrath directed at Charlie Mallow is due to the City Council's decision to end the FD Ambulance Service earlier this year. The adage about a woman scorned comes to mind.
Bud, You're right. For the
Bud,
You're right. For the record, it cost Charlie as much to run for election as he has been paid. He isn't making any money on this. Heck, he didn't even get a job at the race track!
Totally unrelated in this
Totally unrelated in this thread....
We drove past Zigrossi's earlier this evening and there are only about 10 cars on the lot. I haven't read anywhere they are slated to close as part of the GM organization but it sure looks like it.
Thanks Bud, Andrew, John,
Thanks Bud, Andrew, John, Beth, Howard and Tim for your comments. I’ll do my best to be more “politically correct” and not so bitter responding to people.
And John is right, it cost me more to run than I made being on Council. I also, still drive 104 miles everyday to get to work and no political patronage jobs are in my future.
For the record Charlie - as a
For the record Charlie - as a city resident I appreciate all you've done for this city. We are in much better shape than before you were elected. No one can deny that.
Posted by Charlie Mallow on
Posted by Charlie Mallow on June 25, 2009 - 9:41pm
Thanks Bud, Andrew, John, Beth, Howard and Tim for your comments. I’ll do my best to be more “politically correct” and not so bitter responding to people.
And John is right, it cost me more to run than I made being on Council. I also, still drive 104 miles everyday to get to work and no political patronage jobs are in my future.
If someone insinuated that you are on the council for the money, I missed it. It never entered my mind to think that you were in it for financial gain.
If you feel you were insulted by my response to your opinion of the public, then I'm sorry.
You are talking to just a few of those who vote in this city. Those who post to this board are politically astute, some more than others (and I do not consider myself the most astute or remotely close). Your comments were directed to those who read your posts.
Perhaps you were having a bad day or, quite possibly, you finally got it all off your chest and let us know how you really feel.
Whichever the case, I hope you can understand that those of us who read and post are not brain dead. As much as you feel that your feelings were hurt, I can assure you that you raised the hackles by your comments. That hurt goes two ways.
I would prefer that we can agree to disagree with a modicum of courtesy in the future.
John, I only have moments
John, I only have moments with liars, cheaters and thieves. Since the Council has someone that fits each one of those monikers and have demonstrated it, I decided not to run. Why would I want to hang around people like that? I don't know what you mean by "moments" here? I do get pissed-off at liars, cheaters and thieves, but I never put you in any of those catgories. I don't know why you got personal with me? All I did was ask a public person some questions that you could answer. I never attcked you or made it personal. I made some remarks towards some Council people but never at you. There wasn't even a glimmer of a mean spirited question towards you, was there?
I think the heat got to us
I think the heat got to us all.
I agree Bea, I feel bad..
I agree Bea, I feel bad.. Just the heat of the blogg.. God Bless Farrah Faucett, and Michael Jackson in their passing. God Bless Everyone..
Tim, Your post at 5:18 PM,
Tim,
Your post at 5:18 PM, made it sound like everything is fine and that we are out of debt. I said we are still deep in debt and just wanted you to acknowledge it. You did and now that is all cleared up, thank you.
The “having a moment” comment was a reference to your 9:13 PM post. Read it again.
Note: There is only one person still in office who voted for all the bad ideas you mentioned, and that is Ed DeJannerio, who is now on the County Legislature. Are you against him?
There are two people still on the City Council who tried to stop the water deal and the new city hall, Kathy Briggs and Rose Mary Christian. They tried to stop the debt, so why would you want them to go?
The $3 million dollar debt that Charlie, Rose Mary, Kathy and others stopped was mostly the fault of one of the incumbents running for reelection to Council this year. I hope you will work hard to remove him and say so right here?
Did you vote in the poll? Where do you stand? Do you want Charter reform or Consolidation this year on the ballot?
John, I already answered you
John, I already answered you on that. If the Charter changes streamline things and help save the "taxpayers" real money then I support it. If the changes are minimal and you didn't accomplish what you set out to do then, no.
Good,then you support it. I
Good,then you support it.
I hope you will lobby your council member to hold off on their consolidation vote until after January so our reforms can be approved.