Where does Jesus tell Christians to discriminate based on sexual preference? Nowhere.
But the bigger question is: Isn't a lesbian gay? Or are only men gay? And is a bisexual woman only half lesbian? Or is the man half gay? And why do men who go through all the trouble to become women then claim to be lesbian? And is there such a thing as a dick transplant for the lesbians who turn themselves into men with really crappy beards? I'm just a witness of mankind's quirks, not a judge. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ron-suresha/diversities-may-enrich-lgbtqi…
And life just gets more confusing by the minute.
David. I believe you're talking about this case: http://hobbylobbycase.com/the-case/the-decision/
Which states "The Supreme Court granted a landmark victory for religious liberty this morning, ruling that individuals do not lose their religious freedom when they open a family business. The court ruled 5-4 in favor of David and Barbara Green and their family business,Hobby Lobby ruling they do not have to violate their faith or pay severe fines."
Having never met Mr.and Mrs. Green, I, personally, wouldn't say they were "hiding behind" religious beliefs. I (think) they would say they were fighting for their constitutional rights. In fact, I believe that was the crux of their defense.
But, you certainly have the right to use any words you wish.
bottom line is they got out of providing an insurance benefit, that most other employers provide, by claiming it was against their religion. .btw , i am so confused i don't know which rest room to use.
i'm not sure if it is right or wrong, but i think a business owner should be able to refuse service to anybody they want for any reason they want. may not be a good practice but it's their business and they can run it any way they want.. say i go into a store wearing high heeled tennis shoes and have a ring hanging out of my nose. the shop owner does not like my appearance and tells me to get the hell out of his shop. i about face and down the road i go to another store with the memory to not return to the first one. no biggie to me.
I went into the Saxon Pub in Austin with my nephew from Oakfield when he was 21. I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. I ordered two Shiner beers and the owner asked to see my nephew's drivers license that didn't have a picture because New York was stupid then. They refused him service so I said, Ok give me one Shiner and he told me "No, get out!"
I've been back twenty or thirty times since then but never with a clearly identifiable Yankee. I think he thought the nephew story was a ruse for potential homosexual activity in his bar. Kind of like Western New York thinks.
I remember a day back in '66, when I, and, four of my fellow classmates, stopped in at The Cloverleaf for a quick beer.
The owner (at that time), Tony Ianello, set up 3 beers. He refused to serve the fourth one -our classmate, and good friend, who was an African-American.
I also remember dumping the glasses he HAD poured on the bar, and, right-or-wrong, tipping over several chairs and tables on the way out.
He knew who I was, and knew my parents quite well. Said he was gonna tell them. Which he did. When my father asked me about it, I told him exactly what had happened. My father said he was proud of us.
I can't speak for any of the other guys, but, I never stopped in there again, as long as THAT man owned it.
Oops! In my previous comment, I said "four of my fellow classmates".
I meant 3 of my classmates (4 of us in total) - and this, from a math major. So ashamed!
Its pretty cut and dried for me, If its a private business, then its exactly that, private and if its private, you should be able to pick and choose who you do business with. Its no different that refusing to do business with someone because you know they are a bum and wont pay their bill. From experience, LGBT customers seem to have special needs, they have unrealistic expectations, and they are in general difficult to deal with, No one knows the proper suffix to use when addressing them, and you have to constantly worry about offending them. Its pretty simple for me, its MY business, I built it, I worked hard to make it something, I WILL CHOOSE who I do business with, because it belongs to me, its mine.
Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams and Ringo Starr are all denying customers service based on their personal beliefs. Those customers paid for their product, made schedule arrangements, booked hotel or other entertainment reservations, etc. They should be forced to either play their concerts or pay damages to the ticket holders, the venue and the state. As private businesses (and large ones at that), they clearly discriminated against their customers based on personal beliefs resulting in loss of revenues and inconvenience.
Where does Jesus tell
Where does Jesus tell Christians to discriminate based on sexual preference? Nowhere.
But the bigger question is: Isn't a lesbian gay? Or are only men gay? And is a bisexual woman only half lesbian? Or is the man half gay? And why do men who go through all the trouble to become women then claim to be lesbian? And is there such a thing as a dick transplant for the lesbians who turn themselves into men with really crappy beards? I'm just a witness of mankind's quirks, not a judge.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ron-suresha/diversities-may-enrich-lgbtqi…
And life just gets more confusing by the minute.
didn't hobby lobby get around
didn't hobby lobby get around discrimination by hiding behind religious beliefs? I could be wrong.......
David. I believe you're
David. I believe you're talking about this case:
http://hobbylobbycase.com/the-case/the-decision/
Which states "The Supreme Court granted a landmark victory for religious liberty this morning, ruling that individuals do not lose their religious freedom when they open a family business. The court ruled 5-4 in favor of David and Barbara Green and their family business,Hobby Lobby ruling they do not have to violate their faith or pay severe fines."
Having never met Mr.and Mrs. Green, I, personally, wouldn't say they were "hiding behind" religious beliefs. I (think) they would say they were fighting for their constitutional rights. In fact, I believe that was the crux of their defense.
But, you certainly have the right to use any words you wish.
bottom line is they got out
bottom line is they got out of providing an insurance benefit, that most other employers provide, by claiming it was against their religion. .btw , i am so confused i don't know which rest room to use.
i'm not sure if it is right
i'm not sure if it is right or wrong, but i think a business owner should be able to refuse service to anybody they want for any reason they want. may not be a good practice but it's their business and they can run it any way they want.. say i go into a store wearing high heeled tennis shoes and have a ring hanging out of my nose. the shop owner does not like my appearance and tells me to get the hell out of his shop. i about face and down the road i go to another store with the memory to not return to the first one. no biggie to me.
I went into the Saxon Pub in
I went into the Saxon Pub in Austin with my nephew from Oakfield when he was 21. I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. I ordered two Shiner beers and the owner asked to see my nephew's drivers license that didn't have a picture because New York was stupid then. They refused him service so I said, Ok give me one Shiner and he told me "No, get out!"
I've been back twenty or thirty times since then but never with a clearly identifiable Yankee. I think he thought the nephew story was a ruse for potential homosexual activity in his bar. Kind of like Western New York thinks.
I remember a day back in '66,
I remember a day back in '66, when I, and, four of my fellow classmates, stopped in at The Cloverleaf for a quick beer.
The owner (at that time), Tony Ianello, set up 3 beers. He refused to serve the fourth one -our classmate, and good friend, who was an African-American.
I also remember dumping the glasses he HAD poured on the bar, and, right-or-wrong, tipping over several chairs and tables on the way out.
He knew who I was, and knew my parents quite well. Said he was gonna tell them. Which he did. When my father asked me about it, I told him exactly what had happened. My father said he was proud of us.
I can't speak for any of the other guys, but, I never stopped in there again, as long as THAT man owned it.
Oops! In my previous comment,
Oops! In my previous comment, I said "four of my fellow classmates".
I meant 3 of my classmates (4 of us in total) - and this, from a math major. So ashamed!
Its pretty cut and dried for
Its pretty cut and dried for me, If its a private business, then its exactly that, private and if its private, you should be able to pick and choose who you do business with. Its no different that refusing to do business with someone because you know they are a bum and wont pay their bill. From experience, LGBT customers seem to have special needs, they have unrealistic expectations, and they are in general difficult to deal with, No one knows the proper suffix to use when addressing them, and you have to constantly worry about offending them. Its pretty simple for me, its MY business, I built it, I worked hard to make it something, I WILL CHOOSE who I do business with, because it belongs to me, its mine.
Bruce Springsteen, Bryan
Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams and Ringo Starr are all denying customers service based on their personal beliefs. Those customers paid for their product, made schedule arrangements, booked hotel or other entertainment reservations, etc. They should be forced to either play their concerts or pay damages to the ticket holders, the venue and the state. As private businesses (and large ones at that), they clearly discriminated against their customers based on personal beliefs resulting in loss of revenues and inconvenience.
OMG!!!
OMG!!!
No Bruce? No Bryan? No -- who? Oh yeah. Ringo. I remember that guy. I actually like THAT guy.
Anyone buying a concert ticket that isn't refundable due to concert cancellation has to be either rich, or crazy.