Liberty Street resident accused of murdering infant

I hope and pray she gets everything she deserves coming to her. If she can do this to a newborn, I can't imagine what she would do to the two children. This is pure evil!

Wow, Lisa!
I'm sure glad you said "If".
Otherwise, it would've sounded like, "We don't need no stinkin' trial."

There is no "IF"!

"We have enough to come to the conclusion that the death was intentionally caused, but because of the fact that we do not have a final autopsy report and because the investigation is ongoing, we won't be indicating anything further at this time," Friedman said.

You can't determine that an "if" Ed. Give me a break! I don't care if she's well known or well liked. If you take an infant, child, adult or elder person's life, it's called murder. Plain and simple.

I have a right to say how I feel. It's not anything to do with a trial Ed. Feel how you want to. But don't judge me for my feelings as a human being.

She has two other children and sounds like she lives alone. Why continue having babies when you are not able to care for them?

Lorie I think she has made it clear that she doesn't intend to have any more babies.

wow Lisa, I guess all you need to hear is the DA's side and it's "hang em high", good for you.
I prefer the old fashion criminal justice system that this country was founded on. A system based on law, not a system based on someone's accusation or opinion.

When will people realize there are so many options these days, that are much better than taking the life of an innocent.

Sad indeed!

Again. WOW, Lisa! It is certainly your right to say, "There is no "IF"! BUT, anyone reading your 1st comment on this post should have cause to disagree. YOU SPECIFICALLY wrote, " If she can do this to a newborn, I can't imagine..." Thats right, Lisa! You wrote the word IF. I only pointed to it. So, again, it is certainly your right to say there is no "if". But, it is also my right to say, "Liar!".

As for your statement, " If you take an infant, child, adult or elder person's life, it's called murder. Plain and simple.", again, you are WRONG. Sometimes it's murder. Sometimes it's "involuntary manslaughter". And, sometimes it's "justifiable homicide".

Next, there's the DA's statement you quoted. I'm quite sure there has NEVER been  a DA  that made a mistake. I'm quite sure nobody charged with a crime was EVER innocent. So, I don't even know why we NEED a trial.

And, Lisa, I never judged you for your " feelings as a human being". And, I never said anything about your right to say how you feel. But, I DO want to thank you for saying, "Feel how you want to". As "Debra", on 'Everybody Loves Raymond' might say, "Thank you for your permission!"

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I liken Comment #3 to one of "Raymond's" funnier quotes - "This is the woman who shows up once a month to tear into me like a monkey on a cupcake!"

That's how I FELT when you pounced on me for pointing to an IF that you, yourself, wrote, Lisa!

My sentence, " 'If' she can do this to a newborn, I can't imagine what she would do to the two children" needs to be spelled out?

Okay, Cupcake. The meaning of If-
1.
a : in the event that
b : allowing that
c : on the assumption that
d : on condition that
2.
: whether <asked if the mail had come> <I doubt if I'll pass the course>
3.
—used as a function word to introduce an exclamation expressing a wish <if it would only rain>
4.
: even though : although perhaps <an interesting if untenable argument>
5.
: and perhaps not even <few if any changes are expected> —often used with not <difficult if not impossible>

Perhaps you need to pursue a grammar course?

Have a great day. :)

Unfortunately, Alvin, it is too late now! She does not live with her children and had another baby. Seems she should have done that at least a year ago. So after a child is dead, now she decides to not have any more? ummmm, speechless.

I know people who would love to have a child but they are not able. As you can imagine, it is heartbreaking for them. Then you have folks who think children are disposable. Disgusting.

Sorry, Lisa, but, I feel no compulsion in pursuing a course in grammar. I'll gladly trade 'barbs' with anyone here on thebatavian, concerning grammar, word usage, spelling or reading comprehension.

I'm well aware of the meaning of the word 'IF', and know that any usage of it in my comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with grammar.

I will point out, though, that there are some very good courses out there on reading comprehension. In case you are wondering what that is, it's the ability to not only recognize the words being read, but, their usage determined by the context in which they're used.

Likewise, Have a Day!

How do we know the baby was even full term? This could have been a case of she lost the baby at her home and panicked, had no clue what to do, and couldn't let go. I'm not saying this is the case but everyone forgets about innocent until proven guilty. There is no basis to condemn until the full story, including her side, comes out. In that mugshot picture she looks pretty heart broken for sure. Not like someone that's only mad because they got caught. People need to get a grip.

C'mon, George. Try to keep up. The DA spoke up. That should be enough. What? You want an investigation? And, a trial?
Bite your tongue, George.
And, for those that are lacking in reading comprehension, yes, that was sarcasm.

" If " there are any questions about this woman's guilt, Lisa should be able to answer them.

Like George said, we don't know what happened, but this story is one that tears at the heart, emotions run high, we may never know all the circumstances, but we also have to understand that being charged with a crime isn't the same as being convicted of a crime.
Let due process sort it out, thats why we have it.

WARNING: Commenting on The Batavian can cause you to become judge, jury, and executioner.!!

Seems like once again that what truly happens on the Batavian.com is that a bunch of opinionated people decided they don't like another persons opinion and decided to pick it apart.

Thanks David for posting

wow Lisa, I guess all you need to hear is the DA's side and it's "hang em high", good for you.
I prefer the old fashion criminal justice system that this country was founded on. A system based on law, not a system based on someone's accusation or opinion.

I shall remember that the next time your "complaining" about arrests or other such activities of the criminal justice system. LOL

" If " there are any questions about this woman's guilt, Lisa should be able to answer them."

"wow Lisa, I guess all you need to hear is the DA's side and it's "hang em high", good for you."

Now who has become judge, jury and executioner? I state a direct opinion of how I feel and this is now about me? lol Get over yourselves. This isn't about me. It's about the murdered baby. Full term or not, it is murder. She is only crying because she got caught.

Face it. The DA said it himself. Not I. When given the chance to call an ambulance or kill a child, she chose the latter.

Once again, Lisa, you (appear) to not quite "get it".
Had you stated that "It is my opinion ...", people might not have a problem on what you state.
But, when you make a statement like "She is only crying because she got caught.", you are stating THAT as a KNOWN fact.

I submit that ONLY SHE can know, for 100%, why she is crying.
IN FACT, even if she told a 2nd party why she was crying, that is really no proof whether it's true or not.

Look. I'm not saying she's not guilty. I don't know. And, I'm guessing, unless you were there and saw her do it, you don't know. Think about it. Maybe, just maybe, someone else did it, and she's covering up for them.

Ed you and I usually get along but seriously WTH.... She also didn't say what she was saying was the facts or truth either. What do people generally come on here to do? Voice their opinions on news stories? So why are we ganging up on her opinion. I mean this is stupid, she didn't STATE that it was her opinion? Come on now that's reaching for an excuse to shame someone into silence.

Your getting very pedantic about things here. Personally I don't care what her reasons were, she spent 3 months living like nothing had happened and even when the remains were accidentally found she still seemed like "Meh...whatever" if she felt guilty she would have turned herself in when the baby was found Thurs. If she wanted to avoid consequences she would have run.

To me she seems very indifferent... That's my opinion, by the way.

IN MY OPINION. Thank you Kyle.

Ed and David- I will state my feelings. Whether you consider it my "opinion"... That's up to you. Semantics are beneath you. Unless you choose to squabble about words all day. This is a post. If you wanted to be on a jury panel, go to court and become a judge.

She is only crying because she got caught........ that a fact or an opinion?

Lisa. Nowhere did I state, or even hint, that you couldn't state your feelings. As Americans, we all have the freedom to say whatever we want. Along with that freedom, we also should (but, by no means, must) recognize the consequences of what we speak or write.

I can't say that I've never made a mistake when talking, or writing, about some matter. What I can say, though, is that I try my damnest to be careful about such things. I do my best, on things that I'm not 100% sure about, to use phrases/words like "I think", or 'I believe", or "IMHO", or "It seems to me".
The reason I try to always do that is fairly simple - and two-fold.
First: Unless I'm 100% sure of circumstances, it is, in actuality, my OPINION.
Second: Should I be misstate something, without a 'qualifier' like "IMHO", I'd be opening myself up to a (possible) lawsuit.

It just seems more prudent (at least, to me) to 'qualify' my statements. But, Hey, that's me. Y'all can do what you wish. That's YOUR right! Good luck with it, and, "I hope ..."
Actually, I was gonna say, "I hope it never comes back to bite you." But, now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter much to me if someone sued someone for libelous material (unless you're a friend or family member - then it might bother me).
Have a GREAT day!

And now we have the semantics police.

Lisa, you are RIGHT! You have a certain few on here that feel the need to question everybody else`s opinion especially when it has to do with somebody committing a crime and paying the price for it. It might cost tax dollars to put this murderer in jail!!! They can criticize everyone else`s opinion but yet their comments are facts! I find it comical. As for the case, the news stated the girl kept her baby`s dead body in a cooler for 3 months. In my opinion, that alone is enough to put her away. The suspicion is she got pregnant by another man when her heroin dealing boyfriend was in prison and soon to be released and she didn`t want him to find out about the baby. If this is the case, I hope she hangs! Just my opinion though!

Like it or not, as it stands right now, this girl is legally guilty of nothing, thats a fact, not an opinion.That may change AFTER a trial by jury, or a plea deal.I can see Jim going off on me about my rights in the not so distant future even though this has nothing to do with my rights, except that every American citizen who is charged with a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty.Thats not an opinion either, thats a right.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Richard. As for her guilt she is still guilty of hiding a body and other minor offenses. The murder charge still stands as well.

OK, Kyle. Now it's MY turn to say, "you and I usually get along but seriously WTH."

In Comment 28, you state, "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Richard." [ SIDE NOTE: As Richard said nothing about
"innocent until proven guilty", I'm not sure why you chose to place HIS name there. Thinking maybe you meant Frank, but, that's only a guess.]
Either way, Kyle, your 1st sentence says "innocent until proven guilty", YET, your very next sentence says "As for her guilt she is still guilty of hiding a body and other minor offenses."

Were you there when she hid the body, Kyle. Just how can you state, unequivocally, that she is guilty of doing that?
WTH, Kyle? That statement of yours ISN'T offered as an opinion. As given, it is stated as a fact. Pure & simple.

Now, y'all can stammer that I'm playing semantics with words. Those that do, though, might want to take refresher courses in 'grammar'.
Don't have time for that? Then, get your children, or grandchildren, to take ALL of the above comments to their English teacher, and let him/her be the judge on who's correct.

Oh yeah, while I'm at it, I might as well include this little aside: I noticed that there was a 4:07 P.M. post yesterday concerning this "story".
But, I noticed that, as of 8 A.M. this morning, nary a 'peep' from the "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" crowd.
Why is that? Did the Internet up there suddenly stop working? C'mon now. Don't be shy. Of course, I don't for a minute think that maybe, JUST maybe, some might be reevaluating their thinking.

I can honestly tell you this. I truly hope, when ALL of the facts of this case are out, that y'all are left "with egg on your face". And, totally ashamed!
Do I think that's what'll happen? Not really. Like most of you, I have an OPINION, and my opinion is that this woman will probably be found guilty - of something. But, until it runs the course, I refuse to scream "Guilty!". ESPECIALLY going by a couple of news articles. I remember something my grandfather said to me when I was young - I don't know, I was, maybe, 7 or 8 years-old. To paraphrase it, it was something like, "Believe 100% of what you witness, but only some of what you read. A piece of paper can have anything written on it, but, that doesn't mean it's true".

By the way make your quotes fully Ed I said Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This isn't a court of law. Do you think this woman will still be serving at Sporto's now? Or working at whatever she was doing before? I doubt it.

It's pretty sad but she isn't gonna be treated the same because of the shadow of this now. Now she reaps the consequences of the actions she did choose to do.
At the very least she neglected her pre-natal care and neglected this baby's well being because she didn't "want" her or it was "inconvenient". Which resulted in a death either way.

Kyle, do you know that this was not a stillborn death or a miscarriage?

"...do you know that this was not a stillborn death or a miscarriage?"

The M.E. couldn't determine that, so how are you able to?

Raymond, that was the point. Kyle states flat out she neglected pre natal care. How does he know? For all he knows, this could have been a miscarriage and she just panicked.

Kyle, you wrote, "Why do you THINK THey are keeping VERY tight lipped on evidence right now."

Assuming that was meant as a question, I'll tell you what I THINK, Kyle.

I THINK the 'authorities' probably only have the ramblings of a distraught, troubled, distressed person to base their 'murder' charges on. At least, so far.

I THINK it is possible that someone could, and have, many, many times, lost touch with reality - so much, to the point, that they do things that seem to defy explanation. [Need examples, Kyle? Explain Jonestown! Or Newtown! Or "Anytown" where people SNAP, for whatever reason, and do things that are incomprehensible.]

I THINK that someone that would (KNOWINGLY) keep said remains around for months would definitely qualify as a very disturbed person. [I say KNOWLINGLY, Kyle, because, from what I'VE read, even THAT is left up to speculation.]

I THINK that you took the reporting that a neighbor said he saw authorities bring a 48-quart ice chest out to the street, remove a small body and place it in a body bag, and that YOU ASSUMED that 1) the ice chest was where the body was originally discovered
2) said ice chest was her property

Tell me, Kyle. Where do you get your facts from? Why it seems that you can't distinguish between the appearance of stating opinion vs. known facts?
I guess this might be a little hard for you to grasp, but, if I write "Tom ate my sandwich", it isn't written as an opinion. It is written as fact.

Now, Kyle, start screaming "SEMANTICS! SEMANTICS! SEMANTICS!"
Everytime I see you write that, I picture Gomer Pyle running around Mayberry, screaming "Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest! "

At least it makes me smile. :)

Re: Comment 34
C'mon, John. Don'tcha know that when Kyle states something 'flat out', he means it as his opinion?
And, yes, that was meant as sarcasm!
Ya can't win with reality here, John. I figure all you can do is:
1) state your knowledge
2) state your opinion
3) state your feelings
After that, it's up to individuals to try to comprehend what you've written. Some, I believe, will never get it.

And your speculations hold the same factual basis. Pick apart whatever you want I read and watch several news sources on the same story. I am not required to be precise or factually accurate is stating my beliefs or opinions.

We will eventually know the whole truth. The real problem is your looking for ways to tear down first, Lisa's opinion and now mine. Its not gonna change anything you will percieve how you want to as will I. Facts are facts unchangeable and pretty much set in stone.

Once everything does end up out in the open I am looking forward to also seeing you with egg on your faces as well. I will be just as ready with the I told you so's as you are.

I never said she was guilty, or not guilty, but at this time, she is lawfully not guilty of a damn thing, why is that so hard to understand.I don't care if you saw her do it, she is not guilty of anything until the courts make that decision.Try and keep in mind , I m speaking from a legal standpoint.Has anyone pondered the idea that she could be found not guilty for reasons of insanity, you just never know how things will play out.Remember Casey Anthony? public opinion had her hung, didn't quite work out that way now did it.

I wont succumb to shaming or bullying about my opinions when I believe in them thats where they will stay. Especially in cases like this.

But Frank once again this is not a courtroom so the lawful guilt is moot This is a forum for comments and opinion. If someone kills someone else but the arresting officer screws up procedure and the murder gets off on a technicality. Is that person then not guilty? Is the victim then not dead?

Kyle, there will be no egg face for me, I'm stating simple facts about our justice system that I was pretty sure most people understood, I'm not so sure anymore.

Kyle, that is not my argument, public opinion is just that, opinion, legally it ain't worth a dime.
Believe me, I have my opinion on what probably happened, but in this instance, I feel keeping it to myself is the wise choice.Again, I'm only speaking for myself, thats my choice, I really don't care how others express thier opinion, thats up to them. OJ got away with murder, at least thats how the majority of people felt, my point is, you just don't know until the legal proceedings end how things will work. You are absolutly correct, the victim will always be the victim, regardless of the courts findings.I guess I dislike a rush to judgement before ALL the facts are discovered, look at this case already, less than a week goes by, and the prosecution has already got a problem with the murder charge.
I guess because I was a target of an opinion, (that turned out to be way of base), I tend to wait until there are enough facts out to support such an opinion. Lisa's first comment was an emotionally charged opinion,thats understandable to me, but not everyone is willing to let her off the hook for the comment.

Awww Come on, seriously with the Genesee coroner and the Monroe County ME there assisting Thursday night you really think that it's a surprise that they couldn't conclusive determine if a newborn was stillborn or not?

Ever leave a fish or a sandwich in a cooler for a week or so in the garage. How bad or identifiable was it ? This newborn was there for 3 months. Real life autopsies take alot longer than a couple of days, The way the DA and police are keeping this close to the vest I think they must have very conclusive evidence to start with a murder 2nd charge.

Again we all have our theories.... there is no telling what they have or don't have.

But all this picking apart of peoples opinions are crap seem to me to just bullying and belittling people and their opinions. That I don't like and will stand up to it no matter where I see it. It's really not up to people here to let her off the hook or hold her accountable she has the right to make her comments and air her opinions here. As much as you or Ed or John, my disrespect and commentary was just what I felt you guys were giving her. Doesn't feel good does it? Maybe consider that before you beging to pick peoples comment apart to that degree.

Kyle. I have no problem with people, even you, having different opinions than mine.
For the last time, at least on this post, I do have a problem when someone states their OPINION as a FACT. I realize you don't appear to care whether it is written as a fact or not. That's on you, not me.
You absolutely have every right to write/say/think whatever you wish. I'm done on this one.
You can begin now.
"Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest! "

Excuse me Kyle, but I did not pick anyones opinion apart, I simply stated facts, if an opinion is contray to fact, thats not my problem.So whatever point you are trying to get across has no bearing on any of the comments I posted on this thread.If anything, I gave Lisa the benefit of the doubt.

I`m with you Kyle and understand fully what you are trying to say. I am all for everyone getting a fair trial but the fact that OJ, Casey Anthony, etc. get off on charges for whatever reason shows just how screwed up our judicial system is. In this case shouldn`t she be held just for the fact that she stored her dead baby`s body in an ice cooler for 3 months?!?! A normal thinking person doesn`t do that! Are you people glad that people like this walk the streets freely because they had their day in court and somehow beat the system? Well I`m not and can`t believe that she isn`t being held for something. All she had to do is make a phone call when the baby was born be it dead or alive and take the responsible steps required to prove her innocents and she chose to hide something. It doesn`t matter who gets the egg on their face to me! I just hope some sort of justice is served for the loss of this innocent life.

So Jim, if the baby was stillborn, who needs to pay?What justice should be served?
What if the baby was stillborn and the accussed went off the deep end because of that.
What if the accussed has severe mental health issues, what is normal to someone with a mental illness? Just too many unanswered questions to start building the gallows at this time.Me personally, I'll wait and see what trained professionals have to say once all of the facts are presented.Probably why I agree with "innocent until proven guilty".
There is a lot more to that term than meets the eye.

Even if the baby was stillborn Frank, you don`t stuff it in a cooler for 3 months! To me, that is a crime in itself and anyone who would do that is more than likely hiding something. She is getting a more than fair run in our justice system, hell, she is out! No one is going to hide a dead babys body unless they are guilty of something. If the baby was a stillborn, call the cops, ambulance, etc. You don`t stuff it in a cooler and carry on with your everyday life!

Jim stop trying to explain common sense. Some people just don't understand.

Howard - Stop trying to explain common sense. Some people just don't understand.

So its perfectly fine when a flaw in the system sets a killer free? Yea Ed, the common sense is really flowing here! I`ll stick to my own opinions and don`t need any lessons in understanding. I realize that no system will ever be perfect but don`t act like it is fine when mistakes are made.

In the OJ case, a racist detective took away the credibility of the police, in the Anthony case the prosecution went for a home run with the murder charge, when a manslaughter conviction would have been the better choice.I notice Jim didn't make any attempt to debate the mental competency side, and alvin, what common sense do you have to offer, except for mouthing off, you've said nothing, some people think they know more than doctors, lawyers ,and judges, trust me, you don't.
Thank you for putting the system in perspective Howard, it was nice to see a voice with reason.We have the best judicial system in the world today, bar none.

Mental competency? What is there to debate? She is obviously not all there! Is that an excuse? I don`t think so. I find it odd that you would say we have the best judicial system in the world Frank when every time someone gets busted you seem to be all over it claiming rights violations and wasted tax dollars! Do you think OJ and Casey Anthony were innocent? I don`t and I also don`t think that this woman is whether she is nuts or not. By the way, I predicted both OJ and Anthony would be found innocent not because I thought they were innocent but because of the flaws that were brought out in our great system. We`d see how great you thought the system was if it was one of your family members that were murdered by one of these citizens who got off on a technicality or bought their way out like OJ did.

Just goes to show you. As Howard so aptly stated, "Nothing would surprise me."

In 60+ years of writing, I honestly believe this is the first time I've seen someone use a grave accent for an apostrophe.

Now, I might have understood it, had it been used in the article about the casket!

Jim are you saying that the system should be changed to allow for the majority of jurors voting guilty results in a conviction?

Jim, where have I claimed rights violations when someone got busted, enough of your nonesense, prove it.

Well Ed, I didn't realize it until after I posted.
I don't think it takes anything away from the content of the comment, didn't think the grammer police would make note of it.

Well, Frank. If your comment, posted at September 5, 2015 - 4:43pm was aimed at ANYTHING I've said here, you're going to have to be a little more specific. I have NO idea what you are talking about. I'm only assuming it was aimed at me, because, as far as I can tell, I'm the only Ed posting (so far) on this matter.

To be honest, I don't think I've responded to ANY of YOUR comments on this matter. I'll have to go back and check.

But, if you think I was playing 'grammer police' with you, I wasn't. But, I will play 'spelling police', if you wish. The word is grammar, not grammer. There! Does that make you feel better, Frank?

Now, you really can complain about something I wrote about YOU! And, something I WILL own up to.

Ed, I guess I jumped the gun, my bad,and I apologize. I thought you were pointing out my misplaced comma.Again, my apologies, I should stay offline when I'm irritated, and I usually do. I haven't used a grave accent in a sentence since high school, so I forgot what they even were, not many words use them.

No harm, no foul, Frank.
As I intimated, I wasn't sure what, or even who, you were talking about. Didn't notice any displaced comma. Wasn't trying to be grammar police. Just noticed the grave accents being used in a way I'd never seen before, and thought I'd tie them into some "humor". And, as often happens here, my attempt at humor was, apparently, either misunderstood or poorly delivered. My lot in life.