To top it off, taxpayers funded a 6 month operation that resulted in one arrest? Great work, guys and gals, great work....*one hand clapping*
Wood Street resident accused of dealing crack cocaine in Batavia
Submitted by Howard Owens on November 1, 2012 - 6:28pm
A 25-year-old Wood Street resident is in jail, being held without bail, accused of selling crack cocaine to undercover investigators.
Victor D. "Grimes" Guy is charged with criminal sale of a controlled substance, 3rd, and criminal possession of a controlled substance, 3rd.
Both charges are Class B felonies.
Guy's arrest concluded a six-month investigation into the suspected sale of crack cocaine in Batavia.
The task force was assisted by Batavia PD and the District Attorney's Office.
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November 2, 2012 - 8:08am
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November 2, 2012 - 8:14am
#4
No wonder the county wants to raise property taxes. They need more money to waste. I'd love to know what the total bill for a 6 month investigation and one arrest costs.
November 2, 2012 - 8:16am
#5
6 months for just one guy
November 2, 2012 - 8:55am
#6
And the phantom negative voter strikes again. Phantom voter doesn't like truth or facts.
November 2, 2012 - 8:56am
#7
I think you both need to work on your comprehension.
It was the sale of crack cocaine that was a part of a 6 month investigation, not necessarily this idiot's selling drugs.
November 2, 2012 - 9:04am
#8
Definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
That's the drug war. I've been hearing about and reading about the drug war for 40 years, lived through the 70's and 80's, the decades of drug barons and the flood of cocaine, heroin and pot into the United States, and nothing positive has come of it. Drugs are still readily available but people are dead and imprisoned.
C'mon, isn't it time to try something different? If you're paddling your canoe up sh*t creek, it will always be sh*t creek. Pick up your canoe and move it to fresh water and the air will smell better.
November 2, 2012 - 9:10am
#9
News flash: Real life crime investigation doesn't get solved between commercial breaks.
A six-month investigation means a suspect was identified, evidence was gathered, sources were developed, a buy was made, maybe a couple, the substances went to a crime lab, the DA reviewed the evidence, a warrant obtained, a bust made. And that summation over simplifies it. Hell, we don't even know if the suspect was in town that entire period.
All while the law enforcement personnel involved were working multiple other cases.
November 2, 2012 - 9:10am
#10
Wait, you're the guy that wants to blame the victim for the crime. Just an insight to how your mind works..just sayin....
I think you need to clarify what we missed. The news report doesn't say it was a 6 month investigation and there was only one arrest? I clearly see that written right in front of me. Does my statement not stand that there was a 6 month investigation that resulted in only one arrest? Just what ARE you trying to say? I'm missing your point.
November 2, 2012 - 9:13am
#11
Howard, I understand all of that. What are they saying then? Are they saying that a 6 month investigation turns up one guy to arrest? That's what I see and hear. I guess drugs aren't as bad in Batavia as everyone thinks if a 6 month investigation turns up one guy!
November 2, 2012 - 9:19am
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It still sounds like a fruitless investigation to me...a waste of time and resources.
November 2, 2012 - 9:22am
#13
Anyway, you are correct Doug, the "war on drugs" is a colossal waste of time, money and resources.
November 2, 2012 - 9:25am
#14
I don't see why six months = one arrest is so remarkable. The statement alone says nothing about what took place during, what resources were used, what else happened.
You seem to think a whole team of investigators did nothing but investigate this one guy for six months, and that all they did every day for six months was this one case and this one guy.
That's simply not how it works.
I have no idea how much time was spent on this case, but let's say it was 10 minutes one day a week for six months. That would would be a little over four hours clock time on the case. But it would still be a six month investigation.
I'd venture to guess actual man hours of all people involved, 40 to 60 hours. Now, there's a policy debate about spending 40 to 60 hours on a single drug case, and I largely agree with you about legalizing drugs. But you're going way overboard, imho, on "six months to arrest one guy."
November 2, 2012 - 9:41am
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Fair enough, Doesn't it stand to reason that however many hours were put into the investigation, the duration of activity lasted 6 months and the culmination of one arrest sounds really ineffective? I see "6 month investigation" resulting in one arrest and what am I supposed to "perceive?" If I had read about a ring of 10 dealers being arrested, I might be able to say something positive.
November 2, 2012 - 9:48am
#16
Sometimes I think it would be better for the police to just tap the guy on the shoulder and tell him to knock it off and get a job. Something like "Homie, we know what you're doing and don't like it. Knock it off or the boots are gonna walk on you, hard." Take his product and impound his vehicle. Make the impound recovery fee hurt his bottom line. If they don't come for the car, auction it or scrap it. Make the whole business of dealing really painful and not worth the trouble. I don't think jail scares these guys too much. They get out and come right back at it again.
November 2, 2012 - 10:25am
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I think it would be far better, Doug to focus on the effects of the drugs people like this guy sell. Make him work at a rehab center to pay off whatever sentence the court thinks fits. He can see the toll drugs take on other humans. Yeah, yeah I know, they may not want this guy around, I say it's worth taking a shot at it. It's possible he could wake the $@*! up. I happen to believe that deep down inside most people possess shreds of humanity that need to be brought out. Sure beats hell out of the enormous sums of money being spent on investigations and punishment.
November 2, 2012 - 11:27am
#18
"Doesn't it stand to reason that however many hours were put into the investigation, the duration of activity lasted 6 months and the culmination of one arrest sounds really ineffective?"
No.
Dave, I think drug dealers know exactly what they're doing.
November 2, 2012 - 11:59am
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I don't know Howard, I'll admit I don't have hardly any experience with anything to do that world. Of course every individual situation is different, but my impression is that most dealers see easy money and an endless supply of customers. They may in some way see the havoc wreaked on the lives of addicts, but probably don't care and basically see their "customers" as sub-human. Law of the jungle or whatever. I believe in the deep down humanity of most everyone and if we (taxpayers) are going to force certain behaviors, which is the prevailing thought process, I vote for empathy. I'm pretty tired of funding the punitive and law enforcement industries for as much as we have been. Especially with the crappy results attained.
November 2, 2012 - 4:07pm
#20
If you watch Drugs, Inc on NatGeo (I think) you'll see that drug dealers know full well what they are doing to their client base. They rely on the addictive qualities of drugs like meth, crack and heroin to maintain a customer base.
They know their clients are out panhandling, robbing, stealing, and turning tricks to get enough money to get the fix they need to get through the day.
They see their clients in the middle of their dope sickness, shaking, sweating, throwing up, etc.
November 2, 2012 - 6:01pm
#21
Exactly why it should be legalized
November 3, 2012 - 1:13am
#22
Howard you cannot make a flapper understand logic (Basically they speak out of their arse). They see what they want to see; they hear what they want to hear; they believe what they want to believe! A flapper may believe because, it works in one place that it will automatically work in another. They forget that there are different cultures, civil rights, laws and understanding. It is like saying we should adapt a law that, will allow anyone to consume alcohol as long as they can reach the bar while sitting on the bar stool. Heck, it works in Germany so, OMG, it has to work here.
Howard you sum it up best in entry #9. So, it came down to one arrest here Doug, but do you know for a fact, it won't lead to other arrests down the road? Safe to say, No you do not. As far as you comparing us to the rest of the world, that is just asinine statement. Yes, it may work in other parts of the world and it may not. What studies have you conducted on this in Portugal? What are the statistics per population of users? What are the arrest rates? What are the laws in place to ensure there is no abuse? What is the advantages vs disadvantages ratio? Do you think allowing kids to consume alcohol is a good idea? I mean after all it works in Germany. It won't work here. Why? Here is one reason for you. Our laws would not allow our Police the same actions the Germany Police have during an DWI arrest. Civil Rights Groups would be in an uproar!
The "WAR ON DRUGS" does not work because, of lenient laws, politics between Latin America and America, and a judicial system that, protects the rights of the violator over the victim. It comes down to “Accountability”; people tend to find blame with someone or something else. Rather than stepping up and taking full responsibility.
November 3, 2012 - 1:31am
#23
Looks like he has a "Proud to be American" shirt on. He should have shirt that states, "Make sure you are arrested in America, where you can place blame on others for your misfortune, where there is a weak judicial system, you have ACLU and in the end if you are found guilty you get three hots and a cot with Direct TV! All for FREE!"
So for 6 months this guy was allowed to keep on dealing crack in our community just to maximize charges against him? Oh yeah...it's for the greater good, right?
How about American justice come to its senses and realize that a war on drugs doesn't work. Legalize this garbage and follow the plan that already has a template in Portugal. It'll save tax payers a boatload of money, scale down the police state and it'll be easier to control the negative impact that drug dealing has on society.