great job Genesee County Sheriff’s, keep it up.get these drunks off the road, and the underage drunks to. and again great job.

yes! Harass those horrible kids for having a couple beers! How horrible of them!

Mr. Tapp, how does a 20 year old with a beer can make the world a worse place???????

A 20 year old or a 60 year old who is drinking is a hazard on the road.
It may not impact you, but it will make a 'worse world' for the families of those involved in a senseless accident caused by alcohol.
It may not impact you, but it will make a 'worse world' for those who have to deal with someone who made the choice to imbibe while underage and the ramifications of an arrest; an accident; an injury; or worse a death.
It is so cavalier to take the side of the young adult, still not of age to drink legally. Will it make the world a worse place to live? Maybe not. But, will it make hell on earth for those who will suffer because of the selfish choice of an underage drinker? You bet it will!

I believe Peter was referring to the post by William about the underage people drinking, not the drunk driving incident.

I drank while underage, as did many of my friends, we're all functioning adults with educations and jobs, the taste of alcohol before 21 did not make the world worse for anyone because we drank.

It's a conspiracy theory!

"The hill" is out in the middle of nowhere and presumably at least some of those underage drinkers were also driving.

Yes, I'm not talking about drinking and driving, I'm talking about a responsible underage person drinking with a DD.

middle of nowhere? its directly across the street from the entrance to the PAC. Its been around for years

Darien Lake is in the middle of nowhere! By that I mean that you can't exactly walk to it.

Beth you could be right, but the same can be said about the entire Billy Goats bar or any bar in Batavia for that matter on any given night. I could make the assumption that a good amount of them will be driving home. We don't go arrest 30 year olds drinking, in the name of d.d. prevention.

Posted by Tyler Hall on July 15, 2009 - 3:26pm
Beth you could be right, but the same can be said about the entire Billy Goats bar or any bar in Batavia for that matter on any given night. I could make the assumption that a good amount of them will be driving home. We don't go arrest 30 year olds drinking, in the name of d.d. prevention.

But, we should!
Have you ever noticed that the police are out in droves about the time the blue collar workers are leaving the locals bars to go home...yet they never seemed to be around the ritzier bars when the executives are leaving from from a three hour lunch?
I don't care who it is; how old the person is; or what position they hold - if they are stopped for DWI and found to be under the influence, they arrest them!

Well we should pull everybody going over the speed limit and anyone driving while talking on a cell phone. I see those actions happening on a hourly basis.

Posted by Tyler Hall on July 15, 2009 - 4:00pm
Well we should pull everybody going over the speed limit and anyone driving while talking on a cell phone. I see those actions happening on a hourly basis.

Tyler, I'm not defending those actions either. But the belief that someone, under the legal age to drink - or even above that age, seems to have the moral right to get on the road and risk not only their life but the lives of others baffles me.
It is foolish to believe that every one of those drinking at that event were drinking 'responsibly' and they deserve the tacit approval of those on this board. Most people who drink will tell you that they were well in command of their faculties even though the evidence would prove different.

They do it, arrest people, because they know people have to drive home and its easy money. Its all about the money they don't care about anything but gettin as much money during summer concert season as they can. The Cops get OT, Corfu gets money, the County gets money, the state gets money, lawyers get money, GCASA gets money. Just think of it as another concert ticket tax.

Bea,

It would be foolish to make assumptions of those individuals with out knowing further.

It baffles me that you interject that someone on this board has said a drunk driver has a moral right to get on the road. I've never said that. I actually never heard anyone else say.

I'm talking about the actual action of consuming alcohol.

Well Richard, I hope you still might feel that way if a family member is injured or dies as a result of a drunk driver.

Well Richard and everyone else have a higher chance of a family member dying in a non alcohol related driving accident.

I came in late on this but when did we lose the irony of Kid Rocks tour bus driver being given a DWI. "Dude, I pay that guy good money to drive drunk....now what's the bail"

Tyler, I understood what you meant about under-age drinking... you did not say under-age drinking & driving. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing... just stating that I understood what you said or should I say what you did not say ;0)

Stealing = Bad. Rape = Bad. Murder = Bad.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, believe me.
But per Richard's logic, the police, sheriffs' dept, troopers, and other law enforcement agencies are just in it for the money.
So, let's say, for the sake of discussion that he is right. So let us allow the concert goers to enjoy their beverage of choice (and as much as they chose) and their drug of choice. No problem, right?
Let them leave the concert drive home with no one law enforcement intervention.
Would that really make you comfortable?
After all, if there is an drug or alcohol related accident then it has to be the fault of the innocent people in the other car. If they weren't on the road then they wouldn't become victims.

You keep making completely valid points and then the topic migrates to the discussion about driving. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT UNDERAGE KIDS DRIVING. THAT'S COMPLETELY FINE TO HARASS THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST COPS GETTING DRUNK DRIVERS.

But if you insist on going that route........

Bea, how many people per year die innocently (without prior knowledge) or a drinking related fatality???? I know the answer, but for your own education I want you to do the research and find out. If you get that answer, please figure out the percentage related to other car accidents. I know that answer too. But anyways, once you figure that out maybe you'll decide what topics you need to preach against.

Tyler, maybe I am preaching, but I was responding to Richard's accusation that the drivers are being harassed because they are targeted.
This article was about:
"A driver carrying members of the band and crew of Kid Rock was charged with DWI last night following a traffic stop on Route 77 in Pembroke.

Joseph S. Devlin, 37, of 447 Arricola Ave., St. Augustine, Fla., was allegedly observed failing to keep right while driving a tour vehicle"

He was charges with a DWI. He isn't an underage driver, but someone who was responsible for the people of that band.
Asking Richard, who should be responsible if the police allowed him to continue on?
If kids want to drink, then that is their perogative. If their parents or other adults want to supply with them alcohol then I guess it is perfectly okay.
My concern, per this article, is the danger to others.
I think we both agree on that.

We completely do. But at the same time, I have to question the decisions of the people inside of Devlin's vehicle. I'm assuming they knew he was drunk. Making them equally as guilty.

Posted by Tyler Hall on July 15, 2009 - 6:34pm
We completely do. But at the same time, I have to question the decisions of the people inside of Devlin's vehicle. I'm assuming they knew he was drunk. Making them equally as guilty.

Totally agree!

I think as society, we stress and fabricate and enhance certain evils. Maybe we disagree on level of this crime, but at the end of the day you and I both, Bea, agree that not only is this action wrong but it's completely irresponsible.

ok, I jumped in here very late, but this person was driving a bus, carrying, who knows how many passengers (not as many a a regular greyhound bus mind you but maybe 10-the band plus road crew, just a guess). He was (allegedly)observed "failing to keep right", I imagine that means crossing the center lane? If he crossed the center lane and hit another vehicle coming in the opposite direction who would win? A bus is a very heavy vehicle hitting a passenger car would be bad at any speed. I am glad the police are working to take DWI's off the streets. As far as underage drinking, that is a topic with no connection to this story.

These issues are not driven by ACTUAL statistics, they are driven by politics. When I took my daughter to a Pediatrician visit I has to fill out a questionaire that asked if I had any guns in the house. I inquired as to the relevance of the question from my childs Dr. I was informed that it was a safety issue given how many children are killed or injured by guns in the house. I then informed Dr. that statistically far more children die each year by accidental drowning in open containers(5 gallon buckets being the main culprit) so as soon as the questionaire asked how many open 5 gallon buckets I had around the house, I'd consider answering the gun question.

OK, great, Jeff, now our drunken driving discussion is going to become a gun rights discussion :)

You're completely right Jeff. Our life is made up of hypersensitive standards where if you disagree or question them, you are not only considered wrong but you are evil.

If I was Kid Rock and riding in that bus my rich ass would have breath analyzed the "Pope" if he was gonna be responsible to drive my rich butt around ! I am not saying "kid rock" (I met him years ago) was drunk but I have made the mistake of being drunk and handing my keys over to someone I trusted and couldnt tell if they were drunk. Granted he (the driver) blew low number but a BUS is like getting hit by 5 cars even if you are in an SUV head on accident.It would be deadly if he hit someone. NOT COOL.

I understand catching that catching drunk drivers is important. I also agree that its easy money for the county, town, city, state, and lawyers. Not to mention GCASA. If the town/city was concerned about people needing help then it wouldn't require any payments for so called treatment. If people are under 21 and want to drink, I guess that's the risk that they are going to need to take. Do I agree with it? NO If people can smoke and fight in a war at the age of 18, then why don't they have to right to drink. Also on that topic, YES I think that we need to have law enforcement interfere less with people and focus the concern on crimes, not making money for the county and towns.

Sorry for the rant, back to topic. If that driver was drunk, with the band on the bus, or anyone on the bus, then he should be charged. We all remember hearing story's about Randy Rhodes and other famous musicians who have died from the same such occurrences.

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Richard,

As someone who has served this nation, I agree with the old enough to die/old enough to drink, but these weren't soldiers, these were regular 18-20 year olds and that's the difference. IF you put your life on the line for this nation, could die fighting for freedom, then you should have the right to have a drink. If though, you want to be a regular 18-20 year old, buy a ticket to a concert and just enjoy the freedoms that so many others ARE dying for...Then you follow the law. Sorry...in my opinion you should have to earn that right. I hate that our government is so in our lives, but that's the law and these people knew it. What I'm really tired of is people using that arguement who don't serve our nation and think that they are included in the discussion.

As far as a fast wat way to make cash...I think its hillarious how everyone quotes statistics about how unlikely it is to die by a drunk driver! It's just as unlikely to die in a plane crash, yet we take whatever measures we can to avoid that. How is trying to prevent people from dying by someone's stupid choice any different? You think that police setting up road blocks and arresting people for doing this is a quick money scam? I think that's a weak point. No offense meant, but that makes no sense. This is a crime, might not be one that you deem important, but a crime nonetheless.